4.12 and UP.3.rc4

[Black_Sage29]

I really have no idea what MDS is all about..i just got back into IL2 after like 2 years or so. I know it had something to do with moving frontlines and being able to rearm and repair

I used to fly patch 4.08 and 4.09


What I don't understand is, Zuti why not just include MDS in the official TD patches???? . Work with TD!

...they should, in MY opinion instantly rehash/re-encrypt the SFS files and separate their official IL2 completely from the mod community ...

THIS!! Mods are killing this game fast.



For one..HSFX is not a walk in the park to install for the layman..this will turn most new simmers off right from the start. Also..you can believe what you want but I am a dedicated P-40, P-51 and P-47 flyer. The flight models for those planes have been changed in HSFX and the overheating model is changed...this makes it unbalanced because players flying the stock version of IL2 have different flight models and overheating models from HSFX flyers

Don't know much about UP.

I don't even use mods anymore, i just stick to TD's patches because it's just that much simpler to roll with clean, simple, stock version of game. Everyone has the same thing and it's simple for new players to get into the game


Just come together....do it for the game, because this game is dying fast. The community is so split up I can't even join stock server games anymore even with stock 4.11.1 ...which pretty much forced me to uninstall the game

[Bearcat]

Zuti thanks so much for the clarification it is very much appreciated and very good to know. I always thought that TD was separate from the mods... that it was just that HSFX was compatible with the stock sim hence TD.. am I mistaken there? I still think that the MDS is one of the single most important things to come out of the whole mod situation and the fact that it is still in the stock sim should be more widely known even if some of it's features (RRR for one .. from what I have read) do not fully function.. From where I sit it wouldn't matter to me who you worked with as long as the MDS is in the stock sim and whatever issues remain can be worked out at some point.

Hans ... from my understanding some of that stuff you mentioned and more is planned for 4.12. That is one reason why for me.. it is important to keep a mod pack that is compatible with the stock sim because as some of these things that started out as mods are incorporated into the stock sim over time the conflicts become fewer and the mod packs become more streamlined. I think that adding 6DoF and the MDS to 4.10 was a huge step toward that goal as those two mods (among some others that have been also added) are both very useful to any incarnation of the sim...

BS29... I am surprised that you had difficulty with HSFX.. I have never had a problem with the install ... never. As for the stock FMs I don't think they are changed in HSFX .. only the mod planes.. the D-25,30 and 20NT in the P-51s and the other modded planes. From my understanding the FMs of the stock aircraft were not touched at all. As for the overheat model .. Isn't that the stock overheat model that came with 4.11? That has nothing to do with mods. From what I have recently come to understand the MDS is still in the stock version of the sim. I too thought it was removed after 4.10 due to some issue with Zuti and TD but this thread right here @ 1C and Zuti's post above clears that up once and for all.

Caspar.. that French group is the crew from Check6 I believe.. and those guys have been a round a long long time actually..


I don't think mods are killing the sim at all.. I think that the fact that there is a mod pack that is compatible with the stock version of the sim is fantastic and I hope that cooperation never changes.

[Hans Burger]

Caspar.. that French group is the crew from Check6 I believe.. and those guys have been a round a long long time actually..

I think you are wrong. A mod pack has been built by Check 6, few years ago, based on 4.09. Since this date, no development occured. As I know, 4.09 mod packs continue to be developped by two distinct groups: Histomod and II/JG51.

[|ZUTI|]

Bearcat: HSFX is compatible that fast with new releases because a lot of DT team were closely connected to it. How it is now, I have no idea but as things are I think it can be safe to say that situation is the same. IMHO only. Situation with me comming from another pack group was, well, problematic. Since I did not want to cut my ties with them things were bound to go south in the end. Back then there was only one "community"

Black_Sage29: I did give it a try. Not worth the trouble in the end.

IceFire: thank you sir.

Hans B. said it best: those interested soely in the IL2 stick with their version and mod it for their own use. And we are still enjoying it very much If only guys at DT would also focus a bit on updating few things in the graphics engine and gave proper AI to water and ground vehicles. Then it would be pure awesomness.

[Asheshouse]

Originally Posted by |ZUTI|

If only guys at DT would ......... give proper AI to water and ground vehicles. Then it would be pure awesomness.

A selective quote, but I strongly agree.

[semor]

Originally Posted by Black_Sage29

THIS!!Mods are killing this game fast.

This is simply not true!!
I can´t belive it,we live in the year 2013...
Post´s like this are really dividing the rest of the IL-2 comunity

Without the work of the Modders/mod groups AND the great work of TD,IL-2 would be be dead for a long,long time. This is a fact! I can not speak for the onliners,b´cause like many others,I fly offline.

"HSFX is not a walk in the park to install for the layman" ...Well,I don´t want to sound rude,but please don´t talk such BS. If you can´t handle an easy "point and click" exe installer...well that´s your problem.The most other users can do it. HSFX&DBW&UP...etc. are simple installs which gives a lot of great and usefull content to the users who wants it.There is a great comunity out there that gives a "every day" support for those packages.like TD for the official Paches here on the "yellow forum"

Belive me,most of the new Simmers are starting with mods,I can see it every day on SAS and other forums.

You´re mentioned right, this game is dying fast.So,lets hold together and don´t creating a split with such anti mod tirade.

Guys,I don´t want to offended anyone,but when I read lines like " Mods are killing the Game fast...it´s like a stitch in my heart. Let´s enjoy IL-2.With or without mods.

Peace to all.
Semor