Soviet fighters and 4.12

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by arrow

that is what i thought too at first and i tested it a lot - but that doesn't seem to be the cause, the fn elevator has the same authority as other versions as you can pull same accelerations at certain speeds ... What i found was that at same g turn (lets say 3g at 400 kph, level turn at 2000 m, crimea map no cockpit view) fn turns at lower aoa than any other version, in the end practically never exceeding critical aoa that will stall you. I don't recall exact numbers as i did those tests some 3 years ago and sent my report + tracks to dt. I was given the answer, that fm will be overhauled with all lavochkins at once, but i doubt it will happen any time soon ... So it would be nice to at least have current flight models inline.

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[1984]

Originally Posted by Woke Up Dead

Hey 1984, what's a "gargot"?

Originally Posted by Sita

gargot = razorback

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

I thought that it translated as "fillet" (i.e., thin strip of material just ahead of the tailplane used to improve stability for bubble canopy planes), like was added to the P-51D-20.

When I think of a "razorback" aircraft I think of a plane like the P-47C or P-47D-10 which had a "greenhouse" (or "lantern") canopy and a very narrow rear fuselage. Arguably, the P-40 had a similar appearance.

good question and excuse me, guys, for some terminological confusion here, i just used to call, for simplicity, all planes with bubble canopy and some changes only as "without gargrot"...

correctly - "gargRot" - as far i know, it's fairing of fuselage mainly for better aerodynamics ie teardrop-shaped form and, apparently, instead "without gargrot" more correctly be "пониженнный гаргрот"/"low gargrot" because fairing just may have another form...

and gargrot it's NOT power element of construction or, apparently, fairing of canopy...

so, for example, if for yaks correctly "without gargrot" or "low gargrot" and bubble canopy, for la-5 apparently more correctly bubble canopy and another form of fuselage, etc...

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by 1984

and gargrot it's NOT power element of construction or, apparently, fairing of canopy...

That sort of cleared it up. Another web site gave a better definition.

So, if I've got my Russian aircraft terminology right:

No Gargrot = "razorback" or high rear fuselage faired into a "greenhouse" ("lantern") canopy.

Gargrot = cut-down rear fuselage with "bubble" canopy set on top of the fuselage or partially faired into it.

For example, Yak-7 = No Gargrot, but Yak-3 = Gargrot.

Do you know what the word "gargrot" means literally?

(For non-U.S. English speakers, the term "razorback" refers to a particularly nasty sort of feral pig found in the U.S. South - basically America's answer to the wild boar. The high rear fuselage of the P-47C is particularly reminiscent of this creature's back)

[Woke Up Dead]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

Gargrot = cut-down rear fuselage with "bubble" canopy set on top of the fuselage or partially faired into it.

For example, Yak-7 = No Gargrot, but Yak-3 = Gargrot.

I understood it the opposite way: all LaGGs have gargrot, the La7 does not.