I dont care what the Whiners say...

It's all a bit drama-queeny to suggest the whole genre hinges on the continued support of a flawed franchise, never mind one game. And I dont think it is true. Or if it *is* true then perhaps the genre deserves to wither, if this is its best hope ...

No, this merely tells you the levels of personal dependency involved. Once you are weened-off the need to make this game the be-all and end-all, then you can make more rational.

Of course there will be future flight-sim games, in this genre and others. There is absolutely nothign wrong with supporting this one to the rafters, if you think that's worthwhile, but it's daft to say there wont be any others if this one fails. Not least least because this one (or this version) already *has* failed in the eyes of many. A new patch and a bit of retrospective hurrah-ing isn't going to change that.

And how can anyone know there wont be others in future? It's a plain silly assumption.

[Novotny]

Well, If I were in a position to develop a game - and let's not forget, developing a game is a business - I would be looking at this genre as a bloody minefield.

Let's imagine we have X million pounds to invest, requiring a return of Y million.

What do people play? How can I make X investment make Y return?

Let's say I quite like the flight sim genre. I ask my financial expert to garner some figures, and he comes back to tell me that at any one time, there are up to 200 people world-wide playing Cliffs of Dover online.

Oh, I say. What about other sorts of games?

Well, today's peak figures on Steam say that 130,000 people were playing DoTA, 75,000 were playing Team Fortress 2, and 50,000 were playing Borderlands 2. At once. Peak figures.

Ok. And 200 were playing Cliffs, is that right?

Well, we think so. The figures don't actually go that low.

Ok. I think I'll take my x Million of investment and maybe not put it into a WW2 flight sim.

There's the hard facts, you twats. You are in a minority that is perfectly willing to turn anyone interested away from your hobby if it gains you momentary e-points.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Novotny

Well, If I were in a position to develop a game - and let's not forget, developing a game is a business - I would be looking at this genre as a bloody minefield.

Let's imagine we have X million pounds to invest, requiring a return of Y million.

What do people play? How can I make X investment make Y return?

Let's say I quite like the flight sim genre. I ask my financial expert to garner some figures, and he comes back to tell me that at any one time, there are up to 200 people world-wide playing Cliffs of Dover online.

Oh, I say. What about other sorts of games?

Well, today's peak figures on Steam say that 130,000 people were playing DoTA, 75,000 were playing Team Fortress 2, and 50,000 were playing Borderlands 2. At once. Peak figures.

Ok. And 200 were playing Cliffs, is that right?

Well, we think so. The figures don't actually go that low.

Ok. I think I'll take my x Million of investment and maybe not put it into a WW2 flight sim.

That's the hard ******* facts, you twats. You are in a minority that is perfectly willing to **** up your hobby if it gains you e-points.

So true

Personally I support all the flight sims.

[raaaid]

in the old times it was nancy boy now its whinner

[Novotny]

I PREFER TO LOVE WITHOUT BEING LOVED THA/T/ NOT LOVE AT ALL.

It's 'than'.

And you totally screwed up the quote anyway. Should read:

'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[McHilt]

I'm a future customer and I rely on forum-posts and reviews by people who actually fly this sim to decide whether I'll play it or not (if I get my own business on track in the first place). I'm in the positive camp so I'm happy to read ElAurens' initial post.

Kind of hard to read the entire thread though because of all the flaming wars going on as usually...

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Novotny

There's the hard facts, you twats. You are in a minority that is perfectly willing to turn anyone interested away from your hobby if it gains you momentary e-points.

Too true to even be funny

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by carguy_

Too true to even be funny

Was it supposed to be funny?

Completely true though yet I'm not expecting anyone to give a ****!

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

Was it supposed to be funny?

Completely true though yet I'm not expecting anyone to give a ****!

Why?....the only ones that don't give a ****! are the minority being refered to, the rest of us are obviously concerned which is why we speak out against those idiots.

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Why?....the only ones that don't give a ****! are the minority being refered to, the rest of us are obviously concerned which is why we speak out against those idiots.

Which is why I'm referring to then not giving a ****! and will continue to drive people away...

Understood?