Thinking about a Community Patch

[jimbop]

Originally Posted by Liz Lemon

Comparing IL2 vs COD flight model shows that they are largely the same variables used in the fmd. There are a few variables present in COD that aren't there in IL2 if I'm remembering things right, but its been a while since I compared them.

Of course what really matters is how the game is using those numbers, which may be significantly different in COD... or the exact same.

And that is the real problem. If we don't know how the engine is handling the variables then building an accurate flight model will be hard. Take the 150kmh Vmin for the hurricane for example. Is this how the stall speed is set or do other variables play a role?

Could you use RL flight data vs. the SU-26 file variables to understand the game engine calibration? For example, file variable says stall speed = 75 (or whatever) vs in-game stall speed = 80 gives you the correction factor.

[Liz Lemon]

Originally Posted by Verhängnis

I managed to get the existing one to work and convert the meshes, mostly, to text and readable. And then I tried to no avail to track down the original creator Mr.Jones and found every existence of his on the internet down to his last employer but I think he had even moved on from there. Not to mention that the 3d view doesn't even work in Windows 7.

Yeah, that is stuff that is way beyond me. The xentax would probably be the best place to find someone who could make it go. I know that other games use the .msh format similar to il2, and people on that site have made working converters for other games.

Currently its possible to get .msh files into il2 by adding, I believe, a thing for materials right at the start of the file.

The problem is dealing with the way the game handles hooks. Maybe its just my lack of experience with making models for IL2, but it seems that a .msh converter will be necessary to get cockpits for the un-flyables since the camera location is based off of hooks.

And the cockpits as is would be, imo, acceptable in the short term as well as offering a decent jumping off point for making better detailed cockpits.

Originally Posted by jimbop

Could you use RL flight data vs. the SU-26 file variables to understand the game engine calibration? For example, file variable says stall speed = 75 (or whatever) vs in-game stall speed = 80 gives you the correction factor.

That an obvious way of going about it that I haven't thought of. Now added to the list of things to dig into this weekend.

[r0bc]

Steam shouldn't be a problem for mods, I've used racing games on there with mods, no problem.

[jimbop]

Originally Posted by r0bc

Steam shouldn't be a problem for mods, I've used racing games on there with mods, no problem.

Do you play them online or offline?

[r0bc]

Originally Posted by jimbop

Do you play them online or offline?

Online

[Nephris]

For the sake of a fair online playability I really hope so decent, the sequel sfs files will be crypted far off the standard Il 1946 encryption.
Otherwise we will have the same modded situation, we got the past 3 yrs of Il2 1946.

First wills are good for sure, but at the end this finalizes again in a customization of FMs as everyone thinks is correct or prophitable for himself.
I for sure dont blame anyone sneaking into the sfs files, as it is a childsplay to change and load em ingame, at this point MG must be blamed for not crypting their files properly.

Btw isnt changing the files versus MG genreal terms and conditions? Never read them to be honest, but i can remember there was a big disput in early time with Oleg regarding modding and opening his files.


However....Pandoras Box ........

[bisher]

Originally Posted by Nephris

MG genreal terms and conditions? Never read them to be honest

Nor have I, I'm still tring to get through Apple's 99 pages of terms and conditions. Dry read that ; )