Aircraft peformances, is this joke ?

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by tintifaxl

I would call that glitching. Should be instant kick on a server.

Ha!

In fairness, the same can be said for those dastardly Red pilots that fly with canopies open (ie. "sonar") to listen for those 109 pilots sneaking up from behind. None of whom continuously use their WEP buttons, of course!

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

Ha!

In fairness, the same can be said for those dastardly Red pilots that fly with canopies open (ie. "sonar") to listen for those 109 pilots sneaking up from behind. None of whom continuously use their WEP buttons, of course!

What about those 109 pilots that jettison their canopies to get an even standing (or simply open their side windows)? <: )

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

What about those 109 pilots that jettison their canopies to get an even standing? <: )

A plague on all of us!!!! LOL

My ultimate wish for Cliffs of Dover? That Ilya would approach IvanK with the sole wish of resolving the FM issues once and for all for EVERY a/c, including bombers. IvanK would be free to pick whomever he wanted from this community to assist -- but he has Final Say. Ilya could send IvanK periodic (ie. FREQUENT) betas dealing with FM adjustments only...along with readme files (a nice thing to have)....with adjustments based on IvanK's input on the prior FM Betas. Once IvanK signs off on the final FM Beta, then that's it. Done. IvanK is given a nice Morris roadster for his trouble, and we can then move on to quibble about hedgerows vs tree-lined lanes after that.

Or how much the tachometer needle should jitter......(uh oh, shouldn't have said that.....)

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

A plague on all of us!!!! LOL

My ultimate wish for Cliffs of Dover? That Ilya would approach IvanK with the sole wish of resolving the FM issues once and for all for EVERY a/c, including bombers. IvanK would be free to pick whomever he wanted from this community to assist -- but he has Final Say. Ilya could send IvanK periodic (ie. FREQUENT) betas dealing with FM adjustments only...along with readme files (a nice thing to have)....with adjustments based on IvanK's input on the prior FM Betas. Once IvanK signs off on the final FM Beta, then that's it. Done. IvanK is given a nice Morris roadster for his trouble, and we can then move on to quibble about hedgerows vs tree-lined lanes after that.

Or how much the tachometer needle should jitter......(uh oh, shouldn't have said that.....)

Wish it was so easy. You know this community. Whatever numbers the gents from Maddox Games put in here, there will always be somebody with a chart trying to prove them wrong, does not matter blue or red or pink or whatever.

That has such a long history that I don't know what to believe anymore anyways and just fly the damn things as they.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Ain't that the truth!

The reason I specified IvanK is because I believe his judgement would be respected by both sides. They may not agree with certain aspects, but he certainly represents himself as even-handed and knowledgeable with both LW and RAF aircraft. As it stands now, the devs seem incapable or unwilling to apply hard data into credible Flight Models. Witness the ongoing RAF fighter debacle that has gotten progressively worse with each CoD iteration, per my earlier post. Certainly both LW and RAF aircraft need serious FM overhauls, including fighters of either side that can actually exceed 30,000 feet!

As it stands now, it would appear that the devs cannot deliver aircraft that either side can accept in terms of FM's, unless they enlist and heed someone such as IvanK to put things right.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

Ain't that the truth!

The reason I specified IvanK is because I believe his judgement would be respected by both sides. They may not agree with certain aspects, but he certainly represents himself as even-handed and knowledgeable with both LW and RAF aircraft. As it stands now, the devs seem incapable or unwilling to apply hard data into credible Flight Models. Witness the ongoing RAF fighter debacle that has gotten progressively worse with each CoD iteration, per my earlier post. Certainly both LW and RAF aircraft need serious FM overhauls, including fighters of either side that can actually exceed 30,000 feet!

As it stands now, it would appear that the devs cannot deliver aircraft that either side can accept in terms of FM's, unless they enlist and heed someone such as IvanK to put things right.

It "could" work this way. Clearly lots of stuff has to be revised. I think one major problem with altitudes, however, is the lack of propper high altitude atmospheric modelling. I remember a post by Luthier stating that this will come with the sequel.

Funny, they will implement it with a low level combat scenario.
That said, imho, everything making airplanes work in the first place should be fixed with priority.

Does not make much sense to have a propper speeding Spitfire when the Bombers can't level bomb due to Lofte issues to begin with. A Me109 with real life climb speed won't be much of an achiecement if the Hurricane can't even get it's engine started.

Too many basics have to be fixed first before going into fine tuning. But that is just my personal stance.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by jf1981

Leannig purpose to keep air fuel mixture to 1/15, when climbing, the less dense air means it comes to 1 of fuel for less than 15 of air in ratio, in other words, too rich of fuel, so less efficiency, some fuel is burnt meanlessly.

However as explained there's a temperature issue, generally, when the leaning is done manually, full power with rich mixture expect at very high altitude where some leaning may be needed.

When cruising one can lean further.

Except if the sim has a sort of bug, no full power should be done with lean but if one wants to shorten an engine's life. Maybe they'll model an engine failure due to incorrect leaning.

Obiously, a lot of fuel consumption reduction achieved at altitude in lean mixture, could be 20% less. I seem to remember the spit was giving 40 gph rich and 35 gph lean by 15'000 ft.

What you say is correct, with the only difference that the RAF fighters have auto-lean and auto-rich mixture. The Hurricane seems to be manual in the sim but it should be the same as the Spitfire, maybe it's just an animation error on the lever and it is in fact only two settings?

In any case, here's the short version from wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Id...ichiometry.jpg

According to that graph the best air/fuel analogy for rich is 12.6:1 and for lean 15.4:1.
What the semi-automatic mixture controls do is they try to maintain these ratios, the pilot only selects if he wants rich or lean.

It is very clear however from the graph that there should be a difference in power and fuel consumption, just like you say

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

Per Redroach's post above, the Spitfires have the mixture control incorrectly reversed in Cliffs of Dover. The Hurricanes have the mixture control modelled correctly: Pull backwards for Rich, push forward (toward the instrument panel) for Lean.

So, the Spit mixture controls are currently modeled like US and general aviation designs (rich is forward)? Good to know, because i thought that lean is forward and i was wondering why it's easier to start on "lean".