Patch update 22/06 - general discussion (ask questions in official update thread)

[bongodriver]

What about the 'sales of goods act' here in the UK that apparently cannot be overriden by 'terms and conditions agreements'

[Volksieg]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

What about the 'sales of goods act' here in the UK that apparently cannot be overriden by 'terms and conditions agreements'

That only counts for things one actually 'owns'. Most software isn't technically owned by the purchaser.... they merely pay money to use the software. It's like a licence and, hence, doesn't come under the "Sale of goods act" otherwise I'd be hassling people for a refund of the TV licence. lol

Even if one could argue that one 'owns' the disk (If you bought it in box form) and, therefore, are entitled to an exchange and/or refund due to the product being faulty.... that doesn't cut any mustard either as the disk itself is undamaged and the software on the disk is in the condition it was on release and, therefore, is not legally faulty. Rather like trying to return a "Florence and the Machine" CD in a music shop because she is awful.... sorry... just because it sounds awful, the music is "as intended" (That shocked me! First time I heard that band I nearly took my TV back to Currys. lol)

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Volksieg

That only counts for things one actually 'owns'. Most software isn't technically owned by the purchaser.... they merely pay money to use the software. It's like a licence and, hence, doesn't come under the "Sale of goods act".

Even if one could argue that one 'owns' the disk (If you bought it in box form) and, therefore, are entitled to an exchange due to the product being faulty.... that doesn't cut any mustard either as the disk itself is undamaged and the software on the disk is in the condition it was on release and, therefore, is not faulty. Rather like trying to return a "Florence and the Machine" CD in a music shop because she is awful.... sorry... just because it sounds awful, the music is "as intended"

But surely if the game is as 'broken' as claimed then Steam would have no grounds to deny a refund, it's got nothing to do with the physical condition of the disk, back it all up with all the 'crash logs' you collected over the time and you have proof it doesn't work, the music comparisson doesn't work because at every music retail point you have the chance to listen to a sample so much more opportunity to research your purchase.

some interesting points and advice in this forum thread...

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...und-from-steam

Just reading Steams t's and C's and giving up at the first hurdle is not trying really.

[Volksieg]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

the music comparisson doesn't work because at every music retail point you have the chance to listen to a sample so much more opportunity to research your purchase.

Don't be so pedantic! Can't you see when a man is aching for an opportunity to take a swipe at hipster music? I suppose your point does answer the question "Why no demo?" though....

Your suggestions would be worth a go, probably, but I wouldn't expect much results... Steam are very possibly in league with the devil himself so their lawyers would run circles around most folks.

EDIT: "As with most downloadable software products, we do not offer refunds for purchases made through Steam - please review Section 4 of the Steam Subscriber Agreement for more information.
Steam Subscriber Agreement" Hmmm... that could offer hope to someone with a silver tongue, an eye for technicalities and a boxed edition.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Volksieg

Don't be so pedantic! Can't you see when a man is aching for an opportunity to take a swipe at hipster music?

Your suggestions would be worth a go, probably, but I wouldn't expect much results... Steam are very possibly in league with the devil himself so their lawyers would run circles around most folks.

Well Ok.....fair point, I so wanted to like Florence because it isn't rap or other crap Simon Cowell shoves in our ears but I just can't warm to it.

People seem to have endless energy for complaining on this forum so why do they chicken out just because Steam has T's and C's?

[Volksieg]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Well Ok.....fair point, I so wanted to like Florence because it isn't rap or other crap Simon Cowell shoves in our ears but I just can't warm to it.

People seem to have endless energy for complaining on this forum so why do they chicken out just because Steam has T's and C's?

Yeah.. I wanted to like them after hearing how "creative" they are. "Chicken in a basket" Kate Bush.

[No1 Cheese]

You know what, a year or so ago i would have thought that we would have been looking at pics of Hampdens,Whirlwinds or Lysanders etc etc etc apart from LA what ever.Am i the only one that feels like this,so much promised so little given. I feel HAD.
Ive backed this game up so much in the past(even telling my numerous Squad mates that all will be good in the end) when is the end of this joke(wanted to say bullshit but thought i would get banned)
Pics of the sequel what we dont want dont really work does it???
Want pics of the game(no we dont really!!) that we was promised.
I spent days trying to make missions for the die hard Squad mates over Christmas period(really got into it) XMAS PERIOD that was 6 months ago and nothing worked then and NOTHING has changed.I dont think they know the time people spend(that they cant get back) on trying to make this thing work.
Its soooo unimpressive now its boring.
I check this forum for the pilots page(which has some really interesting posts)and the skins page.
Apart from that its a joke.

Cheese

[Force10]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

People seem to have endless energy for complaining on this forum so why do they chicken out just because Steam has T's and C's?

I would think you should be happy not too many have tried to get a refund. Can you imagine if everyone who was unhappy with the game got a refund? The only ones left here would be you,Ace,robtek and a few ATAG guys. Not enough to fund a speak and spell version of the game.(even though I'm starting to think that's what the game was coded with...lol) Be thankful enough gamers got the shaft.

[Ze-Jamz]

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[Force10]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Geez Ace, couldn't you have at least faked my name in there before you re-gifted it?