Fresh stuff from sukhoi.ru (Discussion)

[JG53Frankyboy]

Originally Posted by Lurker_71

I'm guessing they would never allow free servers to compete against their pay-to-play company servers.

MMO announcement is very bad news for offline players, as it implies maddox games have little intention to allot resources to fix the AI/Radio commands (and other aspects of the game valuable to offliners), since these are not common or relevant to the MMO, which I believe is the ultimate direction this series is taking.

indeed! we realy have to wait the announced official note about this MMO thing if it will REPLACE the actual known gametype or if it will be something additional. In the moment we are just in deep fog of infofragments IMO.

I personally would not be surprised if they say this 'Battle of Moskau' will be the MMO.....

[csThor]

I very much doubt that the MMO will replace the current theme-based releases. It'll probably run parallel to them. But:

The question you raised WRT the online mode of the releases vs the MMO environment is very valid. I hope the 1C management is not going to curtail the current possibilities for community-managed servers in favor of its own MMO project, but I'm afraid - given the past lack of gameplay elements in all MG releases - they will since I don't see them producing anything so captivating that people will pay for the MMO services. The numbers argument alone won't work IMO.

[furbs]

Of course it wont work, pretty much everyone knows it. Luthier is clutching at straws, trying to fend off the money men. The COD engine is poorly suited to a MMO, it barely handles what we have now, let alone trying to better the star of MMO's Wargaming.net, makers of "World of Tanks" who are now already in beta of "World of Airplanes".

Wargaming have years of experience of producing MMO's that work perfectly and are massively successful at what they do, the numbers of people paying and playing prove it.
Almost 200,000 playing most nights, and that's just the European server, add to that the US, Russian and Chinese servers and you have prob well over 500,000 people playing each day.

COD has about 60 max playing at one time, that's right 60!

You think COD is going to pull them away with the COD engine? dream on.

COD has failed in its development, its release and post release, BOM will also fail if handled the same way, the money men know it.
COD has been released now over 15 months and its still in a poor alpha state with almost nothing added and lots of problems.

Luthier has had to try something, and this is where we are now.

IL2 online MMO? it would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

[csThor]

Furbs ... with all due respect ... but are you really thinking this MMO idea is Luthier's? If so then ROFL.
I think this is the "money men" - as you call them - who have produced that idea from the depths of their collective ideas hat. 1C even installed a dedicated "online services department" (not just for this MMO but in general) so I guess this is a corporation-wide trend to develop such products.

[ElAurens]

Originally Posted by csThor

Furbs ... with all due respect ... but are you really thinking this MMO idea is Luthier's? If so then ROFL.
I think this is the "money men" - as you call them - who have produced that idea from the depths of their collective ideas hat. 1C even installed a dedicated "online services department" (not just for this MMO but in general) so I guess this is a corporation-wide trend to develop such products.

Exactly.

Brought to you by the same folks that forced Steam on the project and helped delay development and the release too.

[furbs]

Originally Posted by csThor

Furbs ... with all due respect ... but are you really thinking this MMO idea is Luthier's? If so then ROFL.
I think this is the "money men" - as you call them - who have produced that idea from the depths of their collective ideas hat. 1C even installed a dedicated "online services department" (not just for this MMO but in general) so I guess this is a corporation-wide trend to develop such products.

Well mate, Luthier brought us "SpitGirl" and told us to "trust him on it" so all bets are off.

Who knows where the idea came from, were just guessing, but if COD had been a success, i dont think we would be talking about a MMO do you?

[csThor]

Originally Posted by furbs

Well mate, Luthier brought us "SpitGirl" and told us to "trust him on it" so all bets are off.

Which is why I wonder how 1C expects to draw anyone from community servers. MG wouldn't know good gameplay if it bit them in the hinder.

Originally Posted by furbs

Who knows where the idea came from, were just guessing, but if COD had been a success, i dont think we would be talking about a MMO do you?

Not so fast. I remember Oleg talking about such ideas way back (when Il-2 was in its infancy). He probably tried to sell the idea of a new engine by mentioning such possibilities and the thought has stuck with the "money men". That's IMO the most likely scenario.

[furbs]

Originally Posted by csThor

Which is why I wonder how 1C expects to draw anyone from community servers. MG wouldn't know good gameplay if it bit them in the hinder.


Not so fast. I remember Oleg talking about such ideas way back (when Il-2 was in its infancy). He probably tried to sell the idea of a new engine by mentioning such possibilities and the thought has stuck with the "money men". That's IMO the most likely scenario.

Yes that's true, i had forgot that. Its prob a mixture of all these things mate, oh to be a fly on the wall in the meetings.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by csThor

Not so fast. I remember Oleg talking about such ideas way back (when Il-2 was in its infancy). He probably tried to sell the idea of a new engine by mentioning such possibilities and the thought has stuck with the "money men". That's IMO the most likely scenario.

Agreed 100%

[O_Smiladon]

Originally Posted by furbs

Of course it wont work, pretty much everyone knows it. Luthier is clutching at straws, trying to fend off the money men. The COD engine is poorly suited to a MMO, it barely handles what we have now, let alone trying to better the star of MMO's Wargaming.net, makers of "World of Tanks" who are now already in beta of "World of Airplanes".

Wargaming have years of experience of producing MMO's that work perfectly and are massively successful at what they do, the numbers of people paying and playing prove it.
Almost 200,000 playing most nights, and that's just the European server, add to that the US, Russian and Chinese servers and you have prob well over 500,000 people playing each day.

COD has about 60 max playing at one time, that's right 60!

You think COD is going to pull them away with the COD engine? dream on.

COD has failed in its development, its release and post release, BOM will also fail if handled the same way, the money men know it.
COD has been released now over 15 months and its still in a poor alpha state with almost nothing added and lots of problems.

Luthier has had to try something, and this is where we are now.

IL2 online MMO? it would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

You have hit the nail on the head there furbs mate