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Old 05-25-2012, 08:39 PM
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So, I have to ask, how does she fly? I know about it's "on paper" performance, but there is more to how any aircraft flies than it's ROC and VNE numbers. It should have a fairly high roll rate, but, pilots in the day that transitioned from the P 36 to the P 40 considered the P 36 to be superior except in top speed. It will be interesting to see how it works out.
New FM is not set yet. So if you have any reference about its FM, don't hesitate to share, because we maybe don't have it yet.
Didn't the P-40 handle like a dog though (and therefore slightly 'overmodeled' in Il-2)? Genuinely curious.
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Old 05-25-2012, 09:34 PM
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Didn't the P-40 handle like a dog though (and therefore slightly 'overmodeled' in Il-2)? Genuinely curious.
Think I'll let El handle this one.
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Old 05-25-2012, 11:21 PM
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Didn't the P-40 handle like a dog though (and therefore slightly 'overmodeled' in Il-2)? Genuinely curious.
I don't want to take this thread off topic, so I'll be brief.

The P40's "bad reputation" as a turner came from it's early encounters with the A6M Zero, which of course could out turn any "modren" Allied aircraft.

If fact, the early P40 versions (Hawk 81) could out turn a Spitfire below 15,000ft. (And was equally fast at those altitudes as well).

The original Hawk 81 had a roll rate of 135 degrees/second at 360mph IAS. Only an FW 190 could best that, umm... several years later.

The only roll rate data I have for later models is for the P40 F (Hawk 87) that was tested at only 250 mph IAS was still a respectable 95 Deg/sec. There is no reason given for the low test speed.

There is a video of I think Hinton flyiing a P 40 for the first time, I'll try to find it...

Anyway, he came into it thinking the same thing, that it was a dog. He came away with a totally different re think of the P 40. He said it rolled so fast that he hit is head on the canopy the first time.

The Curtiss P40 was the most maneuverable fighter fielded by the USAAF in WW2.

Check the pilot interviews with the guys from the 325th. that flew them in North Africa and Italy.
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Old 05-26-2012, 03:04 PM
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Oh, did I say I can't wait for flyable Hawk 75s?



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Oh, did I say I can't wait for flyable Hawk 75s?


I'd personally prefer a P-36 or a H75-C1, as I do like the U.S. and french camo more.

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Old 05-26-2012, 10:31 PM
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My preference is the P36, be sure, but, the Finnish Hawks have the best chance of seeing use in IL2, they have the only real map to use them on.

Yes, I know about the Hawaii map, and yes that is the only time US P36s saw combat, but it still would be cool to find a way to use them.

We only have one map of France as well.
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If you would like a what if type of scenario the RAF had I think about 200 P36 in reserve in early 1941
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Yes they did.

Planes originally destined for France.

They ended up in North Africa and in the CBI theater of operations.

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