The unfortunate turth

[PotNoodles]

Originally Posted by carguy_

Ok then. The same question again for you : what part of alpha patch do you not understand?

the part I don't understand is why release a patch that is suppose to double the FPS when you know that it's going to stutter and effect FPS because the Grass/Clouds/Trees are not fixed? Especially when these things are supposed to be getting fixed within days. Bit silly to do that don't you think?

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by PotNoodles

the part I don't understand is why release a patch that is suppose to double the FPS when you know that it's going to stutter and effect FPS because the Grass/Clouds/Trees are not fixed? Especially when these things are supposed to be getting fixed within days. Bit silly to do that don't you think?

Maybe they wanted to isolate some issues and see if the version with some features turned off will be rid of them? That`s the way testing is done.

I`m not sure if they wrote it anywhere, but my understanding is that they`ve asked us to help. Those who are willing to help. You are obviosly not willing to do that. Why causing chaos to those who want to help?

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by carguy_

they`ve asked us to help. Those who are willing to help. You are obviosly not willing to do that. Why causing chaos to those who want to help?

QFT. I believe the purpose of this alpha patch is to try and nail down CTD bugs. If you don't want to help, or can't help, then its probably best not to install it, and just let the people who do want to help just get on with it.
For me this patch is not for playing CoD, but for testing CoD, and trying to fix the CTD's some are having.Not all, some, including me. If I can help in any way, by sending in crash files and logs I will.

[Mysticpuma]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

QFT. I believe the purpose of this alpha patch is to try and nail down CTD bugs. If you don't want to help, or can't help, then its probably best not to install it, and just let the people who do want to help just get on with it.
For me this patch is not for playing CoD, but for testing CoD, and trying to fix the CTD's some are having.Not all, some, including me. If I can help in any way, by sending in crash files and logs I will.

I understand where you are coming from here Uther, but currently I am beta testing War thunder and they are not releasing it to the public yet because they want to nail down the netcode, bugs, features all at a steady rate.

About every 3-days (sometimes daily) Gaijin are updating their software to fix bug reports. Now that's service!

The thing is Cliffs of Dover is already out, people have paid money for it and now they are being asked to Alpha and beta test it.

We all now a Patch can bring it's own issues but the original release of Cliffs of Dover has never been stable (to release 'Gold' standard), there have always been crashes, features missing, in a nutshell it was not ready!

Now 14-months down the line, here's a release from 1C that they cross their fingers will do a job that should have been done before release....but here's the 'get out clause', they'll call it an Alpha/Beta and that way when the issues are still not resolved, well, it's not their fault as it was only a Alpha/Beta patch. not the full one we have waited for since release day?

I already stated, I'm 'on the hook', I will patch and I will buy the BoM in the hope I can actually have a working Simulation (and if they can get it stable...what a simulation!) but really, so long since it's release and we are still at 'sticking plaster' stage? It's not a really a good show is it?

I had hoped by now, not to be Beta testing software on a paid for release. I think if any of the patches had made the game as it should have been released AND THEN we were Alpha/Beta testing a new feature/update/effect that would be more than acceptable, it's just that currently the Software is still being fixed to bring it up to how it should have been released.

It's more a question of trust I think?

Do you trust them to part with more money when BoM comes out. Sadly (as I mentioned about the Hook) I think most players who hope for a sim will no-doubt spend their money (I already said I will), but this is just because I live in hope of the halcyon days of IL2. Whether BoM will fix CloD, I don't know, but for those who aren't willing to take that step, it really is sad that nearly a year-and-a-half since release, the software is still missing the dynamic weather (promised but now not coming until BoM) and the developer's are asking the community to Alpha/Beta test the software.

MP

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

I understand where you are coming from here Uther, but currently I am beta testing War thunder and they are not releasing it to the public yet because they want to nail down the netcode, bugs, features all at a steady rate.

About every 3-days (sometimes daily) Gaijin are updating their software to fix bug reports. Now that's service!

So Gajin have the same budget and number of men working on the title as CloD? And who is saying that 1C has good service?

Now 14-months down the line, here's a release from 1C that they cross their fingers will do a job that should have been done before release....but here's the 'get out clause', they'll call it an Alpha/Beta and that way when the issues are still not resolved, well, it's not their fault as it was only a Alpha/Beta patch. not the full one we have waited for since release day?

Please explain. I don`t understand what you mean. What clause? How? Do you think there won`t be any final patch? On what grounds? Speculation again?

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

~ and the developer's are asking the community to Alpha/Beta test the software.

MP

err... alpha test the redesigned and rewritten engine

[MBF]

Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

I understand where you are coming from here Uther, but currently I am beta testing War thunder and they are not releasing it to the public yet because they want to nail down the netcode, bugs, features all at a steady rate.

About every 3-days (sometimes daily) Gaijin are updating their software to fix bug reports. Now that's service!

The thing is Cliffs of Dover is already out, people have paid money for it and now they are being asked to Alpha and beta test it.

We all now a Patch can bring it's own issues but the original release of Cliffs of Dover has never been stable (to release 'Gold' standard), there have always been crashes, features missing, in a nutshell it was not ready!

Now 14-months down the line, here's a release from 1C that they cross their fingers will do a job that should have been done before release....but here's the 'get out clause', they'll call it an Alpha/Beta and that way when the issues are still not resolved, well, it's not their fault as it was only a Alpha/Beta patch. not the full one we have waited for since release day?

I already stated, I'm 'on the hook', I will patch and I will buy the BoM in the hope I can actually have a working Simulation (and if they can get it stable...what a simulation!) but really, so long since it's release and we are still at 'sticking plaster' stage? It's not a really a good show is it?

I had hoped by now, not to be Beta testing software on a paid for release. I think if any of the patches had made the game as it should have been released AND THEN we were Alpha/Beta testing a new feature/update/effect that would be more than acceptable, it's just that currently the Software is still being fixed to bring it up to how it should have been released.

It's more a question of trust I think?

Do you trust them to part with more money when BoM comes out. Sadly (as I mentioned about the Hook) I think most players who hope for a sim will no-doubt spend their money (I already said I will), but this is just because I live in hope of the halcyon days of IL2. Whether BoM will fix CloD, I don't know, but for those who aren't willing to take that step, it really is sad that nearly a year-and-a-half since release, the software is still missing the dynamic weather (promised but now not coming until BoM) and the developer's are asking the community to Alpha/Beta test the software.

MP

Agreed, it is not a good show.

They have rewritten parts of the game, so that leaves them no choice but to test it as if the game was still in "development" stage. Why they did that... I do not know, but I suspect that some parts of the engine weren't looking pretty if they decided to go that way.

Yes they should have fixed it before it was released and by now it should be working on all computers, but they went for the "let's redo the foundation of the building with the building halfway done" approach (a bit exaggerated).

If what they are saying,

Not fully optimized: grass, clouds, and trees. Clouds cause constant FPS drop; grass and trees cause hick-ups. A few extra days of work for this, a few days for grass, few days for clouds, we felt that we could start open testing the patch without waiting for these changes. [...]

is true and they feel confident to start tracking down CTD errors, that's great.

It is terrible that after 14 months some people still cannot play the game, but hopefully that will change with the bug reports.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

I already stated, I'm 'on the hook', I will patch and I will buy the BoM in the hope I can actually have a working Simulation (and if they can get it stable...what a simulation!) but really, so long since it's release and we are still at 'sticking plaster' stage? It's not a really a good show is it?

With all due respect MP, i think this attitude right here is part of the problem.

We should all commit to boycott BoM until 1C gets CLOD into shape.

If they know we'll all just buy BoM anyways, then there's no incentive for them to get better. It's the reason EA and Activision get away with making the exact same Call of Duty every 2 years: fanboys buy it, regardless of anything.

[David Hayward]

There is no need to pledge to boycott BOM. They seem to be completely aware that they have to fix CoD.

[Volksieg]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

With all due respect MP, i think this attitude right here is part of the problem.

We should all commit to boycott BoM until 1C gets CLOD into shape.

If they know we'll all just buy BoM anyways, then there's no incentive for them to get better. It's the reason EA and Activision get away with making the exact same Call of Duty every 2 years: fanboys buy it, regardless of anything.

Originally Posted by David Hayward

There is no need to pledge to boycott BOM. They seem to be completely aware that they have to fix CoD.

Pretty much.

I would go so far as to suggest that buying BoM before (if at all) CloD is fixed could be a useful barometer for insanity.

My view of CloD has been up and down since the beginning.... sometimes I am happy-ish, sometimes in love with it, sometimes can't stand the sight of it....... it's been a roller coaster ride..... like one of those teenage love affairs that end badly and yet.... damn did you have some fun! Would you do it again? Heck no! (Unless you could keep the wild, if somewhat exhausting, moments and edit the rest out.)

BoM? Once bitten..... or as a certain President would try and say: Fool me...erm...twice...erm.....

It's all about hope and faith at the moment. Some have lost their faith entirely. Some never had much faith at all once they paid the cash and got stung. Some, like me, are losing faith rapidly but hoping it will be restored like an atheist desperate for a sign they may be wrong (Apart from the flaming eternal one at the end, hopefully. ).

1C are going to have to pull one heck of a rabbit out of the top hat and, not trying to apply pressure here...... we are talking the king of rabbits before any sane person will slam their money down on the counter.

Here is to hope... however much or little there is.

Now I'm off to play 1946.