The unfortunate turth

[Mysticpuma]

Although I do +1 Phil's post, I am not at the stage of throwing in the towel just yet.

I do feel aggrieved that so-long after it's initial release we are still at Alpha/Beta patch release to try and fix the release day issues.

It does also grate with me that while players have been waiting to get a stable version of the release day software, 1C proudly talk about/advertise the new software they want us to buy.

The sad thing is most of us are here because of the rose tinted glasses we have for IL2:1946, which is still going strong due to TD, but UP and HSFX Mods have made the online servers a niche place where on occasion, one Mod pack will work on one Server and so people can't be bothered to switch. The old-days where everyone could join any server as the patch numbers were the same has sadly long-gone!

So now the online WW2 playing community is looking for the next great thing and CloD promised/promises to be that.

It seems a lot of the crashes I read about are online though and once-more this means the online community is suffering.

I have posted before that loading up 1946 and taking a flight in a large battle at 10000m, with contrails all around, made me grin like a Cheshire Cat and I hope that one-day I'll fly a P-47 or Mustang in CloD on an escort mission.

My irritation at 1C is the prolonged wait to even get the initial release stable, when we already know it shouldn't have been launched.

If anyone remembers the original IL2, just look at how many missions and options and aircraft came with that. I mean 31 flyable aircraft and 40 non-flyable!

Compare that to CloD. Yes I realise that the detail is much greater but after the development time I would have hoped for a few more aircraft and one of them NOT a G.50!!! So many aircraft that took part in BoB and we get a G.50?

Anyway, as we have sat and waited for the next (if you build it they will come) patch hopes get raised that we can touch the nirvana of IL2 and then once more they are dashed on the concrete runway.

I honestly feel that once the launcher issues have been fixed.....that's it until the BoM. If they can stop the game CTD, then they will say "the players are satisfied and now we can let them have the features we promised in the original.....by paying for the sequel!"

Now hand on heart, I am stupid enough/brave enough to actually buy the sequel as I want to fly the best simulator out there. There isn't a sim (ww2 of-course) that can touch the level of detail. Honestly the first time I hit some Hydraulics on an enemy aircraft and the undercarriage started to lower....and then I burst the tyre, I realised that this was the detail I wanted.

The thing is, if they are spending most of their time creating the 'new' BoM and making sure it includes the dynamic weather, the fixes, the extras, the blah, blah, blah, well I don't think that there is any reason not to give it a 'punt'.

I am concious and aware though, that for me that will be last-chance saloon for 1C in my book. If it doesn't include those features, if it doesn't fix all that they promised, then that will be it. How can you trust a company that takes your money and doesn't provide what it said it will. I think too that there would be recourse as it would surely be a case of obtaining money by deception?

However, it's not done yet, the patch is not complete, the BoM is not complete........nothing is complete?

I will be greatly annoyed though if the main bug fix that really does fix everything, just happens to come along at the right time for it all to work nicely with the BoM update...that would be a stroke of sheer coincidence....surely?

However, for now I can play the waiting game. I have IL2, I am Beta testing War Thunder, I have other games i can play but I also have CloD, installed on my hard drive, waiting for the next patch and although the wait will hurt.....what else can i do? Moaning and winging about it wont make a patch come any quicker, it'll just make me frustrated for longer.

So, I'll wait for the patch and I will buy BoM but I think deep down that is because 1C have me on "The Hook"

http://fliiby.com/file/857807/9dcf8jxqdg.html

I will however be honest (why not) and say that tree and lensman do have my upmost support, because as much as I am a lover of the 1C creation, I do think there is so-much more that could have been done to stop so much animosity.

MP

[JG52Krupi]

Exactly what features have they removed with patches?

Also you seem to have ingored what this alpha patch is for... Namely capturing and reporting crashes that they are trying to find.

[PotNoodles]

Originally Posted by furbs

Great post Mystic, thats just it we want it to be fantastic and have the online community IL2 has, but until we get a stable and working sim it wont happen.

What baffles me is some of the problems are day one release...the particle, cloud, smoke and gun hit slow down has been there for ever, cant someone at MG have worked on that for the last 14 months plus development time and at least got that working ok?

Honestly i just dont have any faith in them fixing these problems anymore, all this time and now they say "just a few more days to optimize the grass, trees and clouds" who they kidding? we were told the trees, grass and buildings were already optimized 100% in one of the first patches, remember?

How many times have we heard "fixed AI commands" no they didn't, they just took the broken ones out.

CLOD seems to be going backwards regarding looks, they keep chopping stuff out or braking features, its not funny anymore.

One of the first patches broke the sound engine, remember having to turn off trees to have sound?? how can trees affect sound??

The next patch fixed the sound but introduced the CTD for alot of people.

The last patch put us back to alpha stage, has done nothing to some of the problems from day one, granted it a step forward with the under the hood fixes but CTD's remain for alot of people.

Honestly it looks like they are chasing their tails round and round and round.

You can just forget them adding dynamic weather, coops or any other major feature for years, its just not going to happen.

I would bet my life 99.9% of the "moaners" just want to fly a working sim, i know i do.

Spot on and some people on here wonder why people are moaning. I would just like to know what it is they have supposed to have fixed? It's not the stuttering because it still remains as bad, it's not the clouds or grass and it's not even the FPS or the CTD. So what is it?

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by PotNoodles

Spot on and some people on here wonder why people are moaning. I would just like to know what it is they have supposed to have fixed? It's not the stuttering because it still remains bad, it's not the clouds or grass and it's not the FPS or the CTD.

Maybe not for you but ~50% have had an improvement, I am one of them better fps, only one ctd.

If your having CTD report them.

[PotNoodles]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Maybe not for you but ~50% have had an improvement, I am one of them better fps, only one ctd.

If your having CTD report them.

Can you put up a video with FPS and fly through some clouds and over grass while fighting enemy and I'll start to believe it if I see it. I just cannot see how a rig with my capabilities can not cut it where as yours can, I got 11 FPS through clouds lol. My specs are below. What are yours?

i7 930 overclocked 4.0ghz
Geforce 680GTX
4 gig ram
Raptor HD

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by PotNoodles

Can you put up a video with FPS and fly through some clouds and over grass while fighting enemy and I'll start to believe it if I see it. I just cannot see how a rig with my capabilities can not cut it where as yours can, I got 11 FPS through clouds lol. My specs are below. What are yours?

i7 930 overclocked 4.0ghz
Geforce 680GTX
4 gig ram
Raptor HD

See sig and I will get a video later.

[PotNoodles]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

See sig and I will get a video later.

I have the same motherboard as you the same CPU the only thing different is I have 4 gigs ram, but that's only because you lose the overclock if you add more ram like you have done. My graphics card beats yours and apart from your card we have more or less the same rig. How then can it be different computers causing the problems if yours is very much like mine? Anyways will be interesting to see if you can get a video up for me to look at and just make sure the FPS are showing if you do.

[Wolf_Rider]

is that an SSD you're running, Krupi?

What is your Operating System, Potnoodles?

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

is that an SSD you're running, Krupi?

What is your Operating System, Potnoodles?

Yes but cod isn't on it yet

[PotNoodles]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

is that an SSD you're running, Krupi?

What is your Operating System, Potnoodles?

Windows 7 Ultimate 64