Is this the New Winston Churchill?

[swiss]

Originally Posted by kendo65

Presumably you see yourself very firmly in the group that survives then...

That would be very inconsequent, don't you think?

...or are you going to selflessly volunteer yourself as part of the few million (billion?)?

I'm talking about a situation where you'd have to expect a draft rather than volunteer.
I also decided against having my own offspring.
It has always been a pita for the past 10 years to talk my gf out of it...

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by swiss

That would be very inconsequent, don't you think?



I'm talking about a situation where you'd have to expect a draft rather than volunteer.
I also decided against having my own offspring.
It has always been a pita for the past 10 years to talk my gf out of it...

Why? Argueably, despite the economic turmoil in Europe, there has never been a time in the entire european history were ppl were better of then now.

So why those mass suicidal tendencies?

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Why? Argueably, despite the economic turmoil in Europe, there has never been a time in the entire european history were ppl were better of then now.

I dare to doubt that, furthermore I dont five a damn how ppl are off in eastern Europe, fact is we are off quite worse than 30 years ago.
There are several reason for that, agreed, but this is not the line I want to argue about.

What I do care about is the planet, which in my terms is neither humanity or the rock floating in space, but the whole flora and fauna living on it.
What gives us the right to destroy the habitat of all those beings?
You mentioned the progress in genetics - this could be indeed a way out, once you manage synchronize humans even socialism could work.
In the end however, we will be nothing more than one gigantic ant hive - is that what you want? Is that worth to live for?
Given the choice I'd prefer to die any day to make this future not come true.
Btw; have you ever seen " soylent green"?

[Sternjaeger II]

come on fellas, have a laugh, let's not take ourselves too seriously for a change, you can appreciate that someone that boasts on his location: "London, England (Not European!)" might cause some raised eyebrows when saying he has friends over Europe

Anyway, sorry fellas, go back to your argument.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by swiss

I dare to doubt that, furthermore I dont five a damn how ppl are off in eastern Europe, fact is we are off quite worse than 30 years ago.
There are several reason for that, agreed, but this is not the line I want to argue about.

What I do care about is the planet, which in my terms is neither humanity or the rock floating in space, but the whole flora and fauna living on it.
What gives us the right to destroy the habitat of all those beings?
You mentioned the progress in genetics - this could be indeed a way out, once you manage synchronize humans even socialism could work.
In the end however, we will be nothing more than one gigantic ant hive - is that what you want? Is that worth to live for?
Given the choice I'd prefer to die any day to make this future not come true.
Btw; have you ever seen " soylent green"?

Now this is becoming highly philosophical, you have your opinion fr that, I have mine.
Nature really does not matter about what is done to her. She has survived global ice ages, meteorid impacts and ruptures of tectonic plates with species dying off in spades. So I am really not worried about the planet. Especially given that global armageddon and nuclear winters and summers would probably be more harmful to the planet then another 1000 years of going on like we currently do, so that is a bit of a self defeating argument.

I can symphazise with the rest of your fears, but as I said before, I'd rather take my chances instead of jumping from the bridge. You won't solve anything by throwing up your arms while running around yelling "the future is bleak, we all will suffer, seek salvation!"

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

You won't solve anything by throwing up your arms while running around yelling "the future is bleak, we all will suffer, seek salvation!"

LOL!
That was actually funny.

Then again that's not really me.

Nature really does not matter about what is done to her.

That's the rock I was speaking of, you missed the point.
If you had to decide between burning down a forest where a large population of animal XY lives[let's say they will be extinct afterwards], and a few hundred(or thousands) humans who rely on this future farmland to survive - how would you decide?

The nuclear winter effect btw is pure hypothetical, I think it's bogus.
Now, the funny thing about nukes is the fact, that if everyone has some, no one can use them. Plus, there's no need for them; we have proven to be very effective with conventional weapons in our past.

This was probably enough OT, you guys continue with your pro/contra EU debate, enjoy.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by swiss

LOL!
That's the rock I was speaking of, you missed the point.
If you had to decide between burning down a forest where a large population of animal XY lives[let's say they will be extinct afterwards], and a few hundred(or thousands) humans who rely on this future farmland to survive - how would you decide?

Well..what would the animal do?
Though people usually tend to think of themselves being above animals, most of us act just like that subconciously. That is the reason why we are in this place to begin with. That is how nature made us and how eveolution works, make sure you survive and produce lots of offsrping, f*ck the rest. Humanity just is the most successful animal in this regard due to brain power -> adaptability. Only Rats and Canides come close in their spreading around the world.

When I said ppl need to grow up, it is simply the ability to put intelligence above this instinct and gut feeling and look at the big picture. The same now applies to you in refards to finding solutions to our problems then simply kill half the human population.

The nuclear winter effect btw is pure hypothetical, I think it's bogus.
Now, the funny thing about nukes is the fact, that if everyone has some, no one can use them. Plus, there's no need for them; we have proven to be very effective with conventional weapons in our past.

This was probably enough OT, you guys continue with your pro/contra EU debate, enjoy.

Theoretical, to be precise. But notwithstanding how deterenace works, you said you looked for global war. And we all know that in a war, when one side becomes desperate, then desperate measures are more willingly taken into account then in peace time.

Regardless, I do not think war these days between the industrial countries is something to look forward to, we have have become even more destructive then compared to WW2, even without the nuclear option.