The Crystal Ball 2

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Chivas

Considering some of Luthier's and BlackSix's posts, I'm quite sure that the devs are just as annoyed with the community as some in the community are with them..

other then the "forced release disaster" of the unfinished product last year (and i prefer that scenario to the whole project being cancelled, yet many new visitors here dont seem to understand those were the only 2 choices available at that time), the main mistake luthiers group has made is to believe that giving BoM update information is of any interest to most people who visit this forum (most are preoccupied with finding fixes and solutions, and want to hear about things being fixed in the broken game they currently have, giving those people information of the next product they are working on is obviously not a good idea)

giving news on features being added to BoB/CoD is good, like control of some ground vehicles and AA guns we had recently (because 80% of the work on those had already been done in previous years), and we hope to hear about many more elements that are currently either not present, not included, or not working (lack of dynamic campaign engine, coop problems etc)

i think luthier 'n Co understand this by now, hence they stopped giving BoM focused friday updates, i can only hope the release of the long awaited gfx patch is just around the corner, and that within a few days or weeks they release the "full version" with the included game fixes that are badly needed (ai behavior issues, some plane damage models, etc). failing this, the BoM release will get little traction in the west. however vocal and unreasonable some of the complainers are here (other then a few who just come here to complain no matter what, and have made it their sole purpose in life), the fanatic flight simmers that want to see this project succeed are the trend setters for the more moderate gaming enthusiasts that follow in their wake, and having these prolonged negative reports will directly hurt sales and this in itself can directly threaten the long term survival of the project (in which case we all loose, the simmers, the whiners, and luthier and Co)

[drewpee]

A patch/mod can be as simple as changing a spelling mistake on a title screen so don't tell me there is no such thing as a simple patch.

[drewpee]

As for flaming anyone with a concern you are insulting some very decent people.
My wife and I run a small business and I can tell you as a fact we would much rather hear a customer complaint than have them simply leave the store never to be seen again or worse telling their friends. A least on hearing a complaint we have a chance to make things right. What we won't do is ignore the customer.

[the Dutchman]

Let's go on strike,absolute radiosilence until they start wondering what happened to us LOYAL fans!

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by the Dutchman

Let's go on strike,absolute radiosilence until they start wondering what happened to us LOYAL fans!

Yeah, good luck with that. You can't get the community to agree on which parts of the sim needs the most work, so why should you even BEGIN to think that you could make them agree to not post?

[gonk]

Originally Posted by the Dutchman

Let's go on strike,absolute radiosilence until they start wondering what happened to us LOYAL fans!

Ok... where is the remove membership button.... I can not find it in my CP

There are a lot of ppl with nothing more constructive to add to this forum... this includes myself...

So, to help management to keep track on the health of a forum and satisfaction of customers it would be wise to add a Remove Membership Button .. with a quick reason why.... This will be better then an account just going silent and not knowing why.

thanks...

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by zapatista

i can only hope the release of the long awaited gfx patch is just around the corner, and that within a few days or weeks they release the "full version" with the included game fixes that are badly needed (ai behavior issues, some plane damage models, etc)

The 1st beta patch will be graphics engine only (w. crash fix). No other bug fixes. Maybe some fixes will be included into a 2nd beta, etc. in a few weeks or months.

Oleg wrote that his main mistake was to trust some developers that they can make a new engine in 2 years. If it could not be made in 2 years I do not think it can be completely reworked in just 6 months no matter how much luthier wants it or trusts his new developers. Maybe they need another 6-12 months to finish the rework or fix critical bugs of the rework.

There is no point to make any updates that say that patch does not work yet. As soon as it works we will have the patch. No updates till then probably.

[priller26]

Originally Posted by Ataros

The 1st beta patch will be graphics engine only (w. crash fix). No other bug fixes. Maybe some fixes will be included into a 2nd beta, etc. in a few weeks or months.

Oleg wrote that his main mistake was to trust some developers that they can make a new engine in 2 years. If it could not be made in 2 years I do not think it can be completely reworked in just 6 months no matter how much luthier wants it or trusts his new developers. Maybe they need another 6-12 months to finish the rework or fix critical bugs of the rework.

There is no point to make any updates that say that patch does not work yet. As soon as it works we will have the patch. No updates till then probably.

I think this is very well said, and sums it up in all honesty, you simply can't rework what is a complex engine in 6 months...something that takes years to develop correctly, its overreaching by devs...we wanted to believe it, it we may still be surprised, but its like Porsche developing a new engine after they start selling the car. Anyway, time to just disconnect and check back this summer.

[hiro]

The main problem isn't lack of communication.

Some of it lies with what we do with it. The devs and black six have been in communication about the issues. And some of them there isn't anything new.

But communication or lack there of, does not change anything.

Only thing that will change is the patch release or game fixes.


And its funny. Once Il-2 Moscow / Cliffs gets working like Il-2 1946, everyone, including those that vehemently declared they would never purchase this game or give money would buy it, heck even twice.


UNless there is a serious WW 2 sim contender, but so far this game has the lead in that area.


Yeah I'm annoyed, but there's more dangerous things in life I should put my worries to.

Originally Posted by Ataros

The 1st beta patch will be graphics engine only (w. crash fix). No other bug fixes. Maybe some fixes will be included into a 2nd beta, etc. in a few weeks or months.

Oleg wrote that his main mistake was to trust some developers that they can make a new engine in 2 years. If it could not be made in 2 years I do not think it can be completely reworked in just 6 months no matter how much luthier wants it or trusts his new developers. Maybe they need another 6-12 months to finish the rework or fix critical bugs of the rework.

There is no point to make any updates that say that patch does not work yet. As soon as it works we will have the patch. No updates till then probably.

I agree with Oleg's statement . . . lots of people miss the fact programming and coding is something that can be very complex, and even more so when dealing with complexities such as physics in dog fighting . . .

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by hiro

The main problem isn't lack of communication.

Some of it lies with what we do with it. The devs and black six have been in communication about the issues.

But they haven't - they've said little or nothing on the issues that most people are keen to hear about.

Originally Posted by hiro

But communication or lack there of, does not change anything.

Only thing that will change is the patch release or game fixes.

There are 2 issues here. The first one is the technical reasons for the delay of the patch. Nothing the devs do or say here will change any aspect of that. The second issue IS completely a communication issue - the discontent has built over the last 2 months precisely because people aren't being told anything despite repeated (polite) requests. My only assumption is that the devs have continually thought that the patch was just around the corner, and therefore that there was no need to make statements. Unfortunately as the delay has stretched on and on that policy has run out of track.