MW50 -Secondary effects were cooling of the engine .

[Mustang]

See de red Lines

[HundertneunGustav]

what fuel do we have ingame?

[Mustang]

RPS69=
I just tried it a bit. Picked a 190G6/AS and tried to climb with the MW50 at manual's speed.
Very bad results indeed...
But most surprising is that overheat message comes on 80º
Manual states, 85º as safety, 100º as practical limit, 110º engine damage

Robo=
Oil or Water temperature?

RPS69=
If it was oil, it will be extremely cool!! Actually that will be Normal oil temperature

BF 109 engines uses Oil, The overheat temp for BF 109 is wrong, at the ends something is wrong here gents!

Originally Posted by HundertneunGustav

what fuel do we have ingame?

In IL2 , many BF 109 dont reach the speed for C3 fuel usage, and their speed is for B4 fuel.


HundertneunGustav ...Give me time... please

I must read many many MANY data.
At the end I found the truth ...Alone!! No one helpme


1) Bf 109 MW50 cooling the engine, is a fact



2)***Some BF 109 engines, only can use C3

+With C3 fuel + NO MW50/MW30
And had 110% emergency power OK


3)***Others BF109 engines can use both B4 fuel + MW50/MW30 and C3 fuel NO MW50/MW30

+With B4 fuel + MW50 / MW30.
And had 110% emergency power OK

+With C3 fuel + NO MW50/MW30
And had 110% emergency power OK



4)***And others BF109 can use Both C3 fuel + MW50/MW30 and B4 fuel +MW50/MW30

+With C3 fuel + MW50/MW30
And had 110% emergency power OK

+With B4 fuel + MW50/MW30
And had 110% emergency power OK






ONLY An example , I must read more
I Flight my P51 over Germany Then I encounter BF 109 G14.

The BF 109 G14, is the same plane with diferents setups

A) ***Maybe use only *B4 fuel, and don´t have MW50 methanol supply
Dont have allowed 110% emergency power, dont get cooling from MW50- *Its a easy kill

B) ***Or maybe I encounter G14 uses only C3 fuel and don´t have MW50 methanol supply, He can use 110% emergency power, and get extra power only from C3 fuel, but dont have extra power and cooling effect from MW50.- But this G14 have best performance than "A)".

C) ***Or I can encounter G14 with *B4 fuel + MW50 - He can use 110% of emergency power , and get more power from MW50 and get engine and cooling for 10 minutes. have best performace than "A)" and "B)" - Maybe is a more dificult kill

D) ***Or I encounter a G14 with C3 fuel + MW50, He can use 110% emergency power, and get extra power from C3 fuel , and again get more power from MW50 and get engine cooling for 10 minutes, have best performance than "A)" "B)" "C)"

If C3 fuel is limited, the luftwaffe give the "D)" BF 109 to the best pilots

Then I must call my wingman.

I think...
Is difficult to find performance charts for all these possible situations.




No I can understand

Because Oleg made ​​a "combat simulator" and not make a "flight simulator"



For Cliffs of Dover....
if they will want to simulate the BF 109.. one day
They will go crazy





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[Shardur]

Originally Posted by Mustang

...
I think...
Is difficult to find performance charts for all these possible situations.
...

This link has been posted a couple of times, but I'll do it one more time so nobody can miss it. All the performance data is here:

http://kurfurst.org/#engines

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by Mustang

BF 109 engines uses Oil, The overheat temp for BF 109 is wrong, at the ends something is wrong here gents!

Bf 109s had switchable temperature gauges irl, meaning that same instruments could display Water OR inlet Oil temperature. I've been asking RPS69 because he didn't specify which temperatures he ment (as per post No 67) but obviously he was talking about oil temperatures

The limit temperatures for DB 605 ASM in game is 115°C water, 110°C Oil. The only problem with the 109s at the moment is that the switchable gauges are not modelled. Overheat at 80°C displayed might seem wrong but in fact the message is due to water temp being above 115 degrees (which you can't see obviously) by the time oil inlet temp is 80. That's all...

cheers

[Mustang]

I get some data here

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...t=29526&page=3

Robo
1) Many Thanks for the data Realy .
I hope you can understand me, despite my bad English



Personal Opinion Only
I believe that the oil temperature will always be greater than that of water temp, although I think I could justify that...


TD obviously work very hard, but the can not simulate all from the engines and the many fuels subtypes, in IL2 program engine dont allow them.

2) Anyway, I think that could easily simulate the cooling of the cylinders, when water methanol is injected in cylinder chamber. Always Wather and Oil must raises the temp slowly.

3)At the end I dont Know...
How spend a full tank of water 39 minutes of methanol, In the FW 190 D9.
I need be ... magician Merlin for do this in 4.11.
But the German pilots did it in combat.

4)

Originally Posted by Robo.

The limit temperatures for DB 605 ASM in game is 115°C water, 110°C Oil. The only problem with the 109s at the moment is that the switchable gauges are not modelled. Overheat at 80°C displayed might seem wrong but in fact ...

But.. in 4.11
If the pilot does not get all the information from the gauges , and him can not open manualy the water cooler radiator, or him can not measure all information in the cockpit

Why TD, must be so tough ( strict ) about the engines now??
Personal Opinion Only, I do not want to offend anyone, please undertand
But ..they chose the wrong path!
Is the reason of the unreason. , For a flight simulator ?

5)For this reason Oleg make a combat simulator and dont make a flight simulator, or "engine simulator"

I must repeat something is wrong
At the end I dont Know...
How spend a full tank of MW50 -( 39 minutes ), In the FW 190 D9.
I need be ... magician Merlin for do this in 4.11.
But the German pilots did it in combat.

6)At the end thats is the way of the wrong path.


Please undertand, I do not want to offend anyone.
But I must say the true.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by Mustang

I get some data here

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...t=29526&page=3

Yeah that's all good regarding BoB, been reading through it as well and I actually contributed with Spitfire and Hurricane fuel system problems in CloD.

The above is regarding Bf 109E which had 2 separate gauges, one for oil and one for water temperature. The oil temp was also switchable between inlet and outlet temperature, but this is not correctly modelled in CloD. This is also the case for Il-2 - oil temp gauge is showing outlet temperature only.

Later 109 models (F-2 - G-14 in Il-2) only have one gauge in game as I explained before. K-4 has got 2 separate instruments again.

Originally Posted by Mustang

Robo
1) Many Thanks for the data Realy .
I hope you can understand me, despite my bad English

No worries, I understand.

Originally Posted by Mustang

Personal Opinion Only
I believe that the oil temperature will always be greater than that of water temp, although I think I could justify that...

As per 4.11 guide, water (or CHT) temp is more depending on MFP, oil temp more on your revs. 109s have got no manual prop. pitch (as RPM control) and as I stated above, on automatic PP, water 115 means oil some 80 (that is inlet temp). There are no issues with the 109s regarding temperatures except for the water / oil switchable instrument not being modelled (yet).

Originally Posted by Mustang

I think that could easily simulate the cooling of the cylinders, when water methanol is injected in cylinder chamber. Always Wather and Oil must raises the temp slowly.

As it has been stated before, MW50 will be looked at in the future.

As for the rest, it's matter of opinion. Il-2 is becoming less of a game and more of a sim. You can still disable the new features if you wish.

[OberstDanjeje]

Anyway the MW50 is wrong modelled in IL2, only the DB605DC engine could use the WEP (I mean 110% power) without MW50, so the Bf109G-10, G-14, G-6 AS can't use 110% power without MW 50, only the K-4 C3 could use 110% power without MW50

Well, I don't sure wich engine the G-10 used in game but I think it used the DB engine, so B4 fuel with MW50.