Oleg and Team.

[tater]

BTW, I think that the continuing interest and desire to improve gameplay options for Il-2 shows how very well built it was in the first place.

<S> Oleg, et al, and I look forward to purchasing SOW.

[Thrud]

hopefully 1c will see that it is user generated content that will extend the life of the product (any product) and all that is needed from the devs is the game engine and the tools to work within that engine and the community will do the rest. 1C will still get thier money because everyone will need thier game engine and tools. let the community do the rest.

look at the MS flight sim business model. they've been making money on that title since 1976. it was around 3 years before Windows was.

[GOZR]

[ElAurens]

In fairness you cannot compare Microsoft's flight procedure simulator to an air combat simulator. The markets are totally different, their uses are utterly different, and frankly the FS series in stock form has worse graphic textures than Oleg's by a mile. And as many map inaccuracies, if not more, as well.

I do give Microsoft credit though, they have made it possible for a number of "entrepreneurs" to bilk customers out of a lot of cash for single aircraft models and improved ground tiles. Quite the scam. Nice damage modeling too...

[csThor]

Some people here have a view on life, on business that really scares me. And obviously an amazing ability to ignore things they don't want to hear.

[proton45]

I was just reading some comments on another forum (research and curiosity) and Gozr's attitude is pretty typical of the contempt that they seem to have for Oleg and his team...

The one big difference that I can see between the "AAA" crowd and the "Grey Wolfs" "Silent Hunter III" crowd is that the "Grey Wolfs" crowd seem to have a little more class then the "AAA" crowd. I haven't seen many examples of the "Grey Wolf" community openly mocking the developers of "Silent Hunter III" like the way the "AAA" community seem to mock Oleg....

Let me start off by saying that I have downloaded and used the Silent Hunter stuff (great mod) but I haven't tried any of the AAA stuff (yet). Some of the maps their working on look kind of interesting (I found it ironic that community members projected a "2 week" wait for some of the "mod maps" to be completed) and I might want to fly them some day...BUT, I just wish that they didn't see their work as a great big "FU" to Oleg...

For now, I don't think that I will try any of the mods...it would make me feel too "dirty".

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by tater

In the case of the maps, that's simply not true, bearcat, with all due respect.

The map is the map. If anything, the stock maps were molecular, and the new maps are "atomic." That goes for modder built as well as the "official" player map making teams doing stuff like Burma/Slovakia/Bessarabia, etc. They are simply better in every way than the 1C/RRG maps. Period.

So are you saying that the new modded maps are made from scratch like Ian's maps were? Or are they created by using what is here officially. I don't count the new maps or Ians maps as modded maps. When I say modded maps I mean maps made unofficially... some of them may be good... but arent they just made from what is already available, that has been officially released by 1C? I ask because I want to know. I was under the impression that they were not.. that they were modified maps that were released.. a little expanding here.. tweaking there etc.... and AFAIC there isnt anything out that can really compare to the new recently released maps. They are just stunning. I have not flown on any of the modded maps, which is the proof in the pudding IMO... so again I dont know.. but as I said.. I am going on the notion that these maps were modifed as accurately as they could get it but modded by basically cutting and pasting and recoloring & naming etc here and there..

Originally Posted by proton45

I was just reading some comments on another forum (research and curiosity) and Gozr's attitude is pretty typical of the contempt that they seem to have for Oleg and his team....BUT, I just wish that they didn't see their work as a great big "FU" to Oleg...
For now, I don't think that I will try any of the mods...it would make me feel too "dirty".

I failed mind reading 101 miserably.. (ask Mamabear ) so I cant say what anyone over there really feels , however that attitude is one of the main reasons why, although I can see that there is some good stuff there I still have not used any of it... that attitude you speak of. I know all the members there dont feel that way.... Most of the folks who run the site don't.. but many of the folks who use thier work do...