Pacific Fighters Bombed - inadequate maps

[Chivas]

Nearmiss...can you help me out on the AI thing...I've never understood why a few people claim the superiority of the AI in other sims. I fly both sims extensively but usually get very annoyed with the AI and go back to organized on-line flying. The only thing people specifically mention is the AI doesn't see thru clouds, but that has never been true. Maybe because I always fly as leader where you see all the AI's faults in both sims.

I know the most difficult aspect to get right in flight sims, is the AI, but hopefully the next generation of combat flight sims will see a nice improvement.

~Salute~
Chivas

[jasonbirder]

Evidence...or unsupported opinion?
Any examples of publishers taking action against game mod sites? Ever...(Piracy issues not included)
Under what law and what jurridisction would they be prosecuted...we've discussed the legal standing or lack of ad naseum elsewhere...everytime it is raised it is proven that it has no legal basis...yet people keep restating the terms "prosecuted" or "legal action" i assume in the hope that if it repeated enough times someone...anyone...will accept it as fact.

jasonbirder - Knowing how to take your posts I refrain from giving you a thorough reply. You would twist words to suit your agenda anyway. But yes, I'd say hacking the file protection system of a commercial release is the issue here, not necessarily the stuff people made of it. But as they profit from a technically illegal act I'd say Ubi would try to find a way to shut the site down. They haven't become a large publisher by exerting Salvation-Army-politics

I assume you refrain from giving me a thorough reply because a thorough reply would expose the holes in your logic...I can find No examples of commercial software publishers taking legal action to close down sites offering Mods of game software to legitimate software purchasers (Pirated Software is a different issue) ...
There are no examples of individual users being taken to court for breach of EULA's, though there are test cases in law that set the precedent that EULAs are non-enforcable contracts...
Ubisoft as a software publisher have always openly encouraged community modification of their software titles and i suspect are as baffled as the rest of us at the hostility a tiny proportion of the IL2 community exhibits to the many and varied improvements to the game a bunch of hard working and talented amateurs have created.

[tater]

SH3/4 is actively modded, with the encouragement of that game's Devs. None the less, it is an Ubi product, and the same boilerplate EULA is in force, and I have seen no legal document proffered by ubi stating that "modding SH3 and SH4 is permissible under the EULA, now."

Short of that, modding SH3 and SH4 would be just as forbidden regardless of the position of the devs. Jason is correct, legally there seems to be nothing to see here. At the most I think you could argue that it is "impolite" to do so against the wishes of the creator, no more.

So yeah, it might be considered "rude."

tater

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

I assume you refrain from giving me a thorough reply because a thorough reply would expose the holes in your logic...I can find No examples of commercial software publishers taking legal action to close down sites offering Mods of game software to legitimate software purchasers (Pirated Software is a different issue) ...
There are no examples of individual users being taken to court for breach of EULA's, though there are test cases in law that set the precedent that EULAs are non-enforcable contracts...
Ubisoft as a software publisher have always openly encouraged community modification of their software titles and i suspect are as baffled as the rest of us at the hostility a tiny proportion of the IL2 community exhibits to the many and varied improvements to the game a bunch of hard working and talented amateurs have created.

I could care less about the EULA business and all the hoopla about piracy,etc.

Don't read this wrong. I buy my software, because if you don't it's stealing. It's a fact, if you'll steal a quarter you'll steal anything worth more than a quarter... and you're a thief. I don't want to be a thief or a liar. It's darned easy to get anything you want off the web.. music, movies, software, etc. from P2P sites. I know where to go and how to do it, but it's wrong. It is important to live life with a clear conscience and best choices for the way we want to live and work with others.

The courts in America decide some of the craziest chit you can imagine. So, I'd say it aint over until the fat lady sings and the plaintiff has spent his fortune in a legal battle that is NOT worth the effort or costs.

People are just going to do things that aren't exactly upright. YOu can buy all kinds of expensive software off the Ebay and it's pirated. You think Ebay cares? I bought a software off an ebay seller once and the seller used all the promotional literature from the official software. Everything was explained just like I was getting the "FOR REAL SURE FIRE" all official software.

Nope... it came on a burned CD with a handwritten Marksalot name.

I contacted the Jerk and he said he had written authorization to do it.

No way, but I'm not the software police. I threw it in the trash and moved on with my life.

Life is about choices. Making good choices, makes me feel good about my life.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Chivas

Nearmiss...can you help me out on the AI thing...I've never understood why a few people claim the superiority of the AI in other sims. I fly both sims extensively but usually get very annoyed with the AI and go back to organized on-line flying. The only thing people specifically mention is the AI doesn't see thru clouds, but that has never been true. Maybe because I always fly as leader where you see all the AI's faults in both sims.

I know the most difficult aspect to get right in flight sims, is the AI, but hopefully the next generation of combat flight sims will see a nice improvement.

~Salute~
Chivas

If I were an Online player I would probably have little or no perception about the AI performance. Afterall, the AI performance is based on probablistic responses to what humans would do in similar circumstances.

In IL2 if you get within a certain range of the six of any AI the AI will start jinking and stunting to avoid being hit. You can count on it happening 100% of the time. The AI constantly take to the vertical, which could have been devastating in war time, especially if the pilot didn't have enough E to climb and pull away from pursuing enemies.

I could probably create a huge list of things that are wrong with the IL2 series AI performance. Things, which really don't affect the Online game. THe players are human and do human things. The Online game is enhanced of course with Coops and planned missions/campaigns from dedicated squad groups. Otherwise, its T & B and every man for himself (unless you fly with a couple buddies).

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In BOB II if the player gets on to the six of the AI it may or may not start jinking, the AI may break hard left or right, start a rolling manuever, do a split S etc. That should give you an idea.

During the war if a plane got hits on it sometimes the pilot would bail, sometimes he would become even more aggressive, or sometimes just be dead in the cockpit.

With the AI performance engine in BOB II there is a randomness to what the AI will do, but it is based on sensible human responses. You really don't know what the AI will do, but they will do something and it's not often the same thing twice.

I didn't discuss how the AI pursue the player, but there is a terminator profile for a very competent and agressive AI performance. It will try the best of sim pilots ability to fly and stay alive.

You can kick some butt or get yours kicked. It's great waging war against the 1s and zeros (binary code) LOL




I hope that helps