4.11 Development Update

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

In a perfect formation box and a Fw190 positioned perfectly in it, theoretically noone would shoot, indeed.
But be sure, that will never happen.
1st: AI is not able to do a perfect formation - its oscillating all the time
2nd: you woulnd't recognise, where the perfect position for you was
and 3rd: you woulnd't be able to reach it, because you would already been shot then.

[Zorin]

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

In a perfect formation box and a Fw190 positioned perfectly in it, theoretically noone would shoot, indeed.
But be sure, that will never happen.
1st: AI is not able to do a perfect formation - its oscillating all the time
2nd: you woulnd't recognise, where the perfect position for you was
and 3rd: you woulnd't be able to reach it, because you would already been shot then.

On a related note, what does happen if we run a recording that shows planes being shot by AI crew members who now would hold fire?

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

That may have happend occationally, and will happen so in game. The gunners are not perfect and there is also dispersion for bullets. In case you can race with your fighter all through a box of bombers, its possible, that a very few bullets of gunners will hit nearby friendly planes. But its not as much as before anymore.

[Zorin]

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

That may have happend occationally, and will happen so in game. The gunners are not perfect and there is also dispersion for bullets. In case you can race with your fighter all through a box of bombers, its possible, that a very few bullets of gunners will hit nearby friendly planes. But its not as much as before anymore.

What I meant was, I have a recording of a mission that shows a bomber formation that is being attack by fighters. Some fighters are hit and explode. What will happen if I replay the same recording in 4.11. Obviously, the bombers would not have scored all the hits neccessary to destroy the attacking fighters in question. So will they keep flying even though the recording does not have further information about their movement as they were destroyed originally?

[T}{OR]

Friendly fire did happen and it was deadly when it did. Though no where near as we have it in 4.10.1. I can not wait for 4.11.

Just one more question: do G forces affect gunners now? I used to get hit by a gunner from a torn up bomber spinning and spiraling down to the mother Earth, and I don't even want to mention tail gunners...

Originally Posted by Zorin

What I meant was, I have a recording of a mission that shows a bomber formation that is being attack by fighters. Some fighters are hit and explode. What will happen if I replay the same recording in 4.11. Obviously, the bombers would not have scored all the hits neccessary to destroy the attacking fighters in question. So will they keep flying even though the recording does not have further information about their movement as they were destroyed originally?

Someone correct me please, but... IIRC this was a problem with old track recording system. The current one is just that - a recording. And the old one (.ntrk or .trk, I can't remember) replayed the mission as if you were playing on autopilot.

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

I see. Yes, there are many problems with the old 'track' format. We try to erase all things from the recording/saving algorythm, that may suffer from changings. Randomisation is a big bugger here. On the other side, we know, 'track' format is a dead horse in fact, there is no help, it will never again work properly. 1C maddox probably came to the same conclusion and thus made a different recording format, that works on all circumstances, namely 'ntrack'.

As T}{OR said, 'track' format is no real recording, its just replaying with the same initial settings. The advantage is, it is small, but since the game has evolved, the 'butterfly effect' have become a much bigger problem.

[Luno13]

Additionally, in the earliest Il-2 versions, the Training tracks would allow the player to take-over.

That was broken and never fixed once FMs and DMs started changing.

Sometimes you just have to let go of a good idea to allow for further progress in other fronts.

However, it would be nice if we could set automatic .ntrk recording. Often I don't save a track unless something interesting happened, and with the current .ntrk system you have to plan ahead when to record. (Of course you can record everything, but sifting through non-descriptive "0001.ntrk" and "0002.ntrk" etc. after a few online sorties isn't fun)

[jermin]

When will get the update?

[Fighterace]

Originally Posted by jermin

When will get the update?

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