Friday Update - December 9, 2011

[HR_Naglfar]

Originally Posted by furbs

Of course you can try that...but what after 15 mins of forming up one of your pilots has forgotten to load the right bombs?
Thats rights....back to the start...another 15 mins forming up...20 mins crossing the channel...dam...the 109s didnt turn up on time....back to the start...15mins...20 mins....

You see?

As Robtek said, you can just put the airplanes with the right loadout, and the right waypoints, and the right briefing in the mission, and when you load the mission you'll have a list with all the airplanes to select which you want.

There's a problem though, related to the player position before selecting any plane, but it have easy solution.

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=27934

Yes, CoD doesn't have the exact coop menu like 1946 has. So what? It isn't a cooperative mission just because the menu is different?

You can make cooperative missions and fly them like cooperative missions. And you can use naryv's coop script to make it easier, or any other script that makes the AIs being idle untill everybody is ready.

If you don't want to make scripts, neither use other people scripts, that's another thing...

[KG26_Alpha]

It isn't a CooP because there's no CooP GUI just another DF mission because there's no CooP start and no CooP end to the mission.

CooP

Place pilots and Aircraft at the start of the mission when the host hits Start Battle, at the moment Start battle launches the mission and pilots have to select aircraft arm and fuel skins etc then join the mission that's already in progress, ending the mission shows no pilots scores or mission success, its just another DF and pointless as it has no structure.

I welcome someone to upload a CooP mission that has the host able to launch the mission with all pilots starting at the same time armed and fuelled ready to take off then fly complete the Coop tasks land and the host closes and we see scores and goals in the mission debriefing room, well you wont because it don't exist as it does in IL2 1946 unfortunately.

I know this is a different sim/game but fundamentally its one of the biggest flaws not having a proper CooP gui and Ready/Debriefing room.

The script everyone keeps mentioning has been discussed and is a work around for using the Channel map to spawn with out DF server born places.

Lets hope they fix it soon.

[robtek]

Except for the missing results/debriefing the rest is rather senseless ballast from old il2, so it seems to me.

The approach seems rather procedure-bound instead solution-bound, at least that is the impression i have.

You can have prepared flight-groups to take over to avoid wrong load-outs and/or planes.

At the same time you can let every pilot choose plane and load-out and then spawn.

As for the mission start on the same time, i fail to see the need for that, either you wait before mission start and join together or you join and wait in game.

Of course all that would be easier with the old gui, but then the priority is not that high, i imagine, as there are possibilities to do it without.

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by robtek

Except for the missing results/debriefing the rest is rather senseless ballast from old il2, so it seems to me.

The approach seems rather procedure-bound instead solution-bound, at least that is the impression i have.

You can have prepared flight-groups to take over to avoid wrong load-outs and/or planes.

At the same time you can let every pilot choose plane and load-out and then spawn.

As for the mission start on the same time, i fail to see the need for that, either you wait before mission start and join together or you join and wait in game.

Of course all that would be easier with the old gui, but then the priority is not that high, i imagine, as there are possibilities to do it without.

You miss the point then of a CooP most treat them like DF servers anyway sometimes.

CooP's create scenarios and or particular recreations of actual historical missions events or even sometime plain old fun.

At the moment the CooP isnt a CooP is a glorified DF you need to have all ac start at the same time If you are a flight leader and have ai starting ahead of you because you are arming fuelling your ac the sync of the mission is displaced all its needs is the Battle start to happen after everyones ready to start.

If you have ever flown IL2 1946 CooP you will know the procedure we have a ready room and a debriefing room with mission scores and stats.

Theres nothing in CoD to show the CooP's ended or the maps won and how well the pilots did.

As for priorities, many of us CooP pilots never use DF servers as they become boring very quickly, especially if you are a mud mover,
so having a non functioning Coop GUI is as bad has having no Df server GUI for us.
At best the restriction on servers is down to a few Df servers guru's that understand scripts and make it half interesting, but this is left to a select few FMB'ers.

Get the CooP function working properly then the online campaign wars can start also.


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[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

At the moment the CooP isnt a CooP is a glorified DF you need to have all ac start at the same time If you are a flight leader and have ai starting ahead of you because you are arming fuelling your ac the sync of the mission is displaced all its needs is the Battle start to happen after everyones ready to start.

and

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

If you have ever flown IL2 1946 CooP you will know the procedure we have a ready room and a debriefing room with mission scores and stats.

Theres nothing in CoD to show the CooP's ended or the maps won and how well the pilots did.

Im not a CoD 'script' expert..

Ataros would be the one to ask.. But I am pretty sure you can do all that with the 'new' CoD C# script.. AND MORE!

I know that back in the IL-2 days.. Mission makers were asking for more and More and MORE FMB control..

So, 1C gave us the C# script methods to do all sorts of things that could not be done in the old IL-2 FMB alone

Granted there is a learning curve, granted some mission makers are not going to be able to pick up on it.. Which will make the IL-2 to CoD transition ugly for some mission makers

But in the end I think more FMB control is a good thing

[addman]

I agree with alpha, coop is the only form of multiplayer that draws me in and keeps me interested in almost any games I play. The old IL-2 interface might be archaic by todays standards but at least it was functional and did the job. Here's for hoping for a better coop interface/implementation in future patches/expansions/add-ons/sequels or whatever they'll be called.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by addman

I agree with alpha, coop is the only form of multiplayer that draws me in and keeps me interested in almost any games I play. The old IL-2 interface might be archaic by todays standards but at least it was functional and did the job. Here's for hoping for a better coop interface/implementation in future patches/expansions/add-ons/sequels or whatever they'll be called.

For those who remember IL-2, they will remember mission makers requesting more and More and MORE FMB control

1C's answer to that request was to include the ability to run C# scripts

Now you know if CoD had the same FMB that IL-2 had.. The current crop of threads complaing about having to learn C# would be replaced by thread complaing abuot how CoD's FMB provides no more control that IL-2's FMB

So once again, dammed if you do, dammed if you don't!

While on the subject, it would have been great if 1C could have provided both the old and the new.. But in light of the fact that 1C did not provide both, it is safe to conclude that to provide more they had to re-do the whole system, and found it too costly to provide both the old and the new..

Dam real world constraints of time and money!

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Ataros would be the one to ask.. But I am pretty sure you can do all that with the 'new' CoD C# script..

It is possible with naryv's COOP script or its modification (AI is put on hold till all players are ready.) http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...537#post354537
However a debriefing screen is not included into the script and has to be added by a C# programmer.

GUI would be a nice option though.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Ataros

It is possible with naryv's COOP script or its modification (AI is put on hold till all players are ready.) http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...537#post354537

Cool! Thanks for the info!

Originally Posted by Ataros

However a debriefing screen is not included into the script and has to be added by a C# programmer.

Roger.. still nice to know you could make a debreifing screen.. Some are under the impression that is not doable

Originally Posted by Ataros

GUI would be a nice option though.

Agreed 100%

[HR_Naglfar]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

CooP's create scenarios and or particular recreations of actual historical missions events or even sometime plain old fun.

You can do that right now with CoD.

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

At the moment the CooP isnt a CooP is a glorified DF you need to have all ac start at the same time If you are a flight leader and have ai starting ahead of you because you are arming fuelling your ac the sync of the mission is displaced all its needs is the Battle start to happen after everyones ready to start.

You can set all AI groups to idle and give them an order to start flying with the menu when everyones ready to start. Using your own made script or naryv's one (wich I didn't try yet btw, but I'll do asap).

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

If you have ever flown IL2 1946 CooP you will know the procedure we have a ready room and a debriefing room with mission scores and stats.

Theres nothing in CoD to show the CooP's ended or the maps won and how well the pilots did.

You can add whatever objective you want and make a message appear in the screen when is completed. And I'm not sure if there are some examples yet, but I think that you can also add your own score system to the mission.

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Get the CooP function working properly then the online campaign wars can start also.

CoD don't need any old system to make a campaign war.

The posibilities with scripts are there, and are nearly endless. But, as I said, if you don't want/don't know how to use your own scripts, and also you don't want to use any other people scripts, that's a different thing...


So if you want the old 1946 coop menu I'm ok and even agree with that. But please people don't say that you can't play cooperative missions right now. That's absolutely false.