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[JG53Frankyboy]

one can wonder if such super 'fighters' are still needed in the conflicts nowadays.
These high manouverable superpower monsters are mostly flying straight and releasing smart weapons.......

A much cheaper plane, even with a turboprop (like the Pilatus or Tucano planes), could be equipted with such a weapon avionic.

This super dogfight ability.....well, cost a lot. If it will ever bee needed, questionable. So every penny put in such hardware might be a waste of money !
But sure, its easier to make a Groundattacker out of a Fighter than otherwise round

The German Luftwaffe wants now all (~140) of its Eurofighters equipted as dual role. in a few years it will be its only combat jet aircraft.

And the future might most propably be even more than today in UAVs. Imagine a modern combatflightsim in 100 years


and btw, im wondering who will make it in India, the Rafale or the Typhoon !
Not that India could do something better with that money............

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by JG53Frankyboy

one can wonder if such super 'fighters' are still needed in the conflicts nowadays.
These high manouverable superpower monsters are mostly flying straight and releasing smart weapons.......

A much cheaper plane, even with a turboprop (like the Pilatus or Tucano planes), could be equipted with such a weapon avionic.

This super dogfight ability.....well, cost a lot. If it will ever bee needed, questionable. So every penny put in such hardware might be a waste of money !
But sure, its easier to make a Groundattacker out of a Fighter than otherwise round

The German Luftwaffe wants now all (~140) of its Eurofighters equipted as dual role. in a few years it will be its only combat jet aircraft.

And the future might most propably be even more than today in UAVs. Imagine a modern combatflightsim in 100 years


and btw, im wondering who will make it in India, the Rafale or the Typhoon !
Not that India could do something better with that money............

I completely agree. UAVs are making most of the dirty jobs at a fraction of the cost of a manned ground attacker, it wouldn't surprise me if in 20 years' time we won't have piloted vehicles, but it'll be all done from a computer room..

[JG52Krupi]

India iirc are getting the Russian t-50

[JG53Frankyboy]

later perhaps, in some years...... replacement for their Su-30.
but now there is a competition for a "medium" Multirole Fighter, and the last ones are the Typhoon and the Rafale for that.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by JG53Frankyboy

later perhaps, in some years...... replacement for their Su-30.
but now there is a competition for a "medium" Multirole Fighter, and the last ones are the Typhoon and the Rafale for that.

Ah okay well typhoon should win hands down

[Kodoss]

Hmm, what I miss in this threat is the Chengdu J-10B to compare it with, let me say, half modern planes...

What also is an important factor is the cost over the lifetime of your A/C.
For an example: if you buy a normal passenger jet (A320 or B737, doesn't matter which one) you pay 7-times the same amount for maintenance the next 30 years.

So for the military etat it's good to have one fighter with superp multirole ability with long life cells,cheap/fast production, low maintenance costs and good upgrade abilities.

The low/complicated production rate, the high maintenance costs/repairs and the low adaptivity to other roles killed the F-22.

The F-35 is set as a multirole A/C, but has also a low and complicated production rate. If you think the EU had to much fingers, the US is not an exception to that. For the reduction of mainenance cost it has only one engine, but that doesn't save your pilots (see starfighter in germany).

The Eurofighter ( also called Jäger-90 ) was initially designed as an interceptor plane. With the change of the cold war, also the role of it changed over the time.
From interceptor to multirole. Maintenance costs, long life cells also played it's part in the older getting Air fleets in europe. That all rised the price, through political nonsense.

Russia builds the best aerodynamical A/C without assisting computers in the world, there's no doubt about it. Also they have a building set system to adapt new parts for new variants. But the maintenance costs and the fuel costs are a pain in the A...

If someone has some good info about the Rafale, J-10 or others, please share them.

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by Kodoss

If someone has some good info about the Rafale, J-10 or others, please share them.

you can start there : http://rafale.freeforums.org/

[TomcatViP]

JG52Krupi said : India iirc are getting the Russian t-50

Humm I guess that you are one of those proud Russian or I might be wrong

Yeah it's (again) a fantastic and ingenious Sukhoi design. Proud Russians can be.

My point in naming it by its Indian/Russian (oh sry) ... Russian/Indian) project' name instead was to attract readers on the prob funny tech transfers.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

JG52Krupi said : India iirc are getting the Russian t-50

Humm I guess that you are one of those proud Russian or I might be wrong

Yeah it's (again) a fantastic and ingenious Sukhoi design. Proud Russians can be.

My point in naming it by its Indian/Russian (oh sry) ... Russian/Indian) project' name instead was to attract readers on the prob funny tech transfers.

Lmao what an earth are you on about I am British for a start!

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Lmao what an earth are you on about I am British for a start!

Well sry but tell me you are a British that add lemon slide in it's tea pot to explain me why my cristal ball had failed ?