Of all the 'niggling' damge model issues, this one is my greatest irritation :(

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

No, I'm not talking about anything to do with terrain, tracers, graphic bugs...nothing like that at-all. Those will be bugs, this is an actual designed for the game Graphic Issue.

Now take a look at the images in this thread (first post) and look at the wing damage. Not the actual puncture marks, but the snap points.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=25009

Every one is the same, a complete straight line break. No tearing damage, no cable or struts sticking out, a pefectly straight 'snap' line (except a very rare piece of straight stick i.e, 109 shown in one picture)?

Now, I understand from a very old conversation that Oleg said that having many break points was impossible, but why does it mean that when a wing breaks, fuselage snaps, tail goes, that the line is a perfect straight?

Why can't the visual damage actually appear as damage rather than a perfect precision knife slicing off of the wing?

I have attached two pictures from Wings of Prey (wait...BEFORE YOU GROAN) as an example of what I would hope this far superior simulation (to quote many but not me) should at least be able to vsiually represent of a wing break?

The damge shown is imperfect, a structural failure that gives the impression that a wing was torn away?

Why in CloD does this not happen and looking at the wing which has snapped, eveyrthing is perfectly cut?

Surely it can't be too difficult to move on from the original IL2 in which this also happened and now we have a far superior Graphics engine, and although I understand 'snap' points have to be limited, why can they not at least represent catastophic damage?

So take a look at the thread I mentioned above and then look at the two pictures from Wings of Prey, which do you think shows a very damaged aircraft.

Yes I am sure I'll get the "ohhhh but WoP is a damaged game, blah, blah", well very funny, but this is a serious point about the actual appearance of a structural failure, so why can't CloD do this?

As-well as the two images of WoP I have added an example of the 'straight-line snap' effect, seen in most wing/fuselage/tail 'snaps' in CloD.

Am I asking too much for a step forward from IL2:1946 in this graphical representation and if so, why?

Cheers, MP

I have seen many damage types in CoD

Jagged wing rips
snapped wings
fuselage ripped
engine parts falling off
canopies bent up
Punctures
bent landing gear
surface control damages
panels blown off

The damage is random and my settings are on full across the board.

What settings are you using ?

Or are these screen shots purely from other CoD owners ?

What's your experience of the damage in CoD ?

Starting a thread the way you have without actually any screen shots from your game
seems strange as you like to use lots of graphical images for your own editing that you present none of your own.


Settings might be an issue in this case but simply presenting look at these bugs without testing anything from your game could be considered trolling whining.

So lets gather some actual scenario, screen shots and settings from those seeing "everytime cut wings" scenarios to actually make sense of calling a couple of screen shots not taken by yourself a serious bug.



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[furbs]

Alpha, ive seen the clean wing breaks as well as puma, ive also seen all the stuff you just posted.

maybe the clean breaks just need removing?

I have yet to see a jagged break, only clean breaks.

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by furbs

Alpha, ive seen the clean wing breaks as well as puma, ive also seen all the stuff you just posted.

maybe the clean breaks just need removing?

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

I have yet to see a jagged break, only clean breaks.

I have them on my CoD as Krupi does and others that have already shown here.

The Hurris wing is stress fracturing on the bolts as shown earlier in this thread. (No need for me to further Krupis examples).

Also

Spits wings are not as strong as you might imagine at the root (visually), due to the skins aerodynamics, the wing looks huge at the root and its fixing when in fact its a small portion attached in comparison with the surface area you see,
in case there's any question regarding Spit wings coming off to easily in future "bug" complaints here's and example of a partially stripped wing root.



Modelling wiring and hydraulic pipes would be nice but complex in some models like the Beaufighters wings leading edges.

[JG52Krupi]

Sorry but this thread is full of fail and a load of BS to boot.

What Skoshi Tiger said is perfectly valid and lets be honest here the only aircraft that has a straight break is the hurri and if you have eyes you can clearly see that the aircraft has a weak point where the wing connects to the root joint but yes I would have liked to see some more visal damage in that break (See below).


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AND regarding the straight breaks in general well just take a quick look at the structure of an aircraft wing and you would understand why a wing would basically have a straight break.. the clues are in the ribs... some of you guys clearly don't have a clue.


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See the break is running along the rib...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ec4t...eature=related

See look at the video REAL LIFE tell me how that is modelled wrongly FFS....

STAY TUNED AS I GATHER MORE EVIDENCE TO PROVE WHY AN AICRAFT WING WOULD BE EXPECTED TO BREAK PARALLEL TO A SODDING RIB.... WTF!!!

And before someone inquires about the spit wing aircraft had different internal structures, if i recall correctly the wing skin has more load running through it and so thats why a parallel break is not modeled.

[JG52Uther]

I think whats being said Krupi is that the wing should be torn off, not snapped off cleanly like a kitkat.
Go back to bed Mr Grumpy

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

I think whats being said Krupi is that the wing should be torn off, not snapped off cleanly like a kitkat.
Go back to bed Mr Grumpy

I agree I said it should not be a clean break but the weak point would always be running along a rib hence its going to snap along that line.

Check out every video of 190 being shot down by an RAF cannon its to me it look like a pretty straight snap, then compare the area in the vid to a picture of an 190s wing internal structure.

Tbh Uther a kitkat is a perfect example of a weak point between two ribs...

[furbs]

Krupi, i think were saying its fine for the hurri to break along the weak spot like you said.

the problem is there is no visual damage of the break. it looks like the wing has been laser cut.

i would guess any wing breaks from are from cannons breaking the spars, then the wing fails along the ribs as you say, but im sure there would be damage along the break.

Or the shells blew up the fuel tank, and then the wing....i dont think i have to say any more mate.

The wing break as in your pic looks unnatural and too clean, thats what we are saying.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by furbs

Krupi, i think were saying its fine for the hurri to break along the weak spot like you said.

the problem is there is no visual damage of the break. it looks like the wing has been laser cut.

i would guess any wing breaks from are from cannons breaking the spars, then the wing fails along the ribs as you say, but im sure there would be damage along the break.

Or the shells blew up the fuel tank, and then the wing....i dont think i have to say any more mate.

The wing break as in your pic looks unnatural and too clean, thats what we are saying.

Okay maybe a bit more spar jutting out perhaps a bit more of the cover protruding from the snap line... but just check out the video of the 190s with the wing blown off...

But the internals of each aircraft are different see this pic



The damage modeled in COD is exactly where you would expect to see a break, the spar is screwed onto the wing joint its just gonna be ripped off similar to the image in COD... just a little more work required.

[Ataros]

Some people play too much WOP which does not model internal structure of aircraft correctly.

There is necessary visual detail where material is actually torn apart.
Deformation from a collision is different than deformation from structure overload in result of gunfire (different vector of forces applied).