One explanation and we will stop whining

[Kankkis]

Even some ETA for next patch and there are happier people after that.

1week, 2week or month? Some info?

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Kankkis

Even some ETA for next patch and there are happier people after that.

For about 2 minutes. Then they start whining again.

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by Kankkis

Even some ETA for next patch and there are happier people after that.

1week, 2week or month? Some info?

Yes, some will be happy to hear that. Others, however, will have at whoever posts such a message with damn near fanatical fervor for anything and everything, not to mention what happens when the company cannot meet the ETA.

Besides, people tend to conveniently forget the E, and only go for the TA and treat it as a solid date for when the patch will arrive. Hellfire and damnation will erupt if that date is pushed back even by a day.

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by adonys

because, guess what?!! I am working as project-manager in game developement busines

and even if you don't have that time in your working hours, you can give half an hour a week from your own and personal free time to post a little update for the guys who are paying you for what you are working on.

And while that might work for you, it doesn't mean that Ilya or anyone else from the team has the time, strength or willpower to do so after the workday is done.

All in all, it's my personal view that this thread is filled with people that are so far off in their assumptions about how things should be done that it's laughable in the extreme. Hell, I haven't seen worse whining since I stopped playing Rift about a month after release.

Tell you one thing, though: In terms of hilarity, this thread delivers. Greatly.

End statement: Caveat Emptor. I ALWAYS have this in mind when picking up ANY software-product. Maybe others should as well.

[MadTommy]

Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey

Tell you one thing, though: In terms of hilarity, this thread delivers. Greatly.

let me correct that..

Tell you one thing, though: In terms of hilarity, these forums delivers. Greatly.

OMG there hasn't been an update for 12 days, 3 hours and 25 seconds.. how dare they, i think they have abandoned the game, they have taken our money and run away.. mummy where's my milk!

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by adonys

and even if you don't have that time in your working hours, you can give half an hour a week from your own and personal free time to post a little update for the guys who are paying you for what you are working on.

They usually work 10-12 hours a day and sometimes more here in Russia. Overtime hours are not paid by a company usually. The legislation is poor in this respect.

I think this is one of reasons sim devs can make ends meet in Russia only. In any other country but China it would not be possible. I have seen a thread where employees of both 777 and DCS shared the same problem that the companies hardly meet ends even with low salaries and extra hours (and they charge per aircraft btw). I think CoD, RoF and DCS are the last complex sim series we see in our lifes. All others will be WoP style at best.

[adonys]

Originally Posted by Ataros

They usually work 10-12 hours a day and sometimes more here in Russia. Overtime hours are not paid by a company usually. The legislation is poor in this respect...

I live in Romania, is the same in here as in there: long not-paid extra hours. so what? I still have time to live, post in here, read, play games, watch movies, eat, sleep, make sex, get out with friends and tons of other normal things.

Originally Posted by Ataros

They usually work 10-12 hours a day and sometimes more here in Russia. Overtime hours are not paid by a company usually. The legislation is poor in this respect.

I think this is one of reasons sim devs can make ends meet in Russia only. In any other country but China it would not be possible. I have seen a thread where employees of both 777 and DCS shared the same problem that the companies hardly meet ends even with low salaries and extra hours. I think CoD, RoF and DCS are the last complex sim series we see in our lifes. All others will be WoP style at best.

Sorry, mate but THIS is hillarious, indeed... What about ROF guys? They have no problem to answer many questions... Jason is writing there too... He was even writing on forum from E3, when there was problem with credit card payments... It is all about priorities... They were answering, writing even before very important patch, which WAS NOT a disaster like CLOD ones. This is just so poor excuses... Oh poor russian devs... Only they are working 10-12 hours a day...
Look... it is all about will and about having something to say/write.

My theory is quite simple - there is no news, so no "news update"...

They have new guy for sounds right? why not to make some simple update about his work? some samples or video inside game? just this... it is not so much, but people would appreciate it.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Opitz

SWhat about ROF guys?

What about them? They don't provide updates on patches. Ask them when the next patch is coming and they ignore you.

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by Opitz

Sorry, mate but THIS is hillarious, indeed... What about ROF guys? They have no problem to answer many questions... Jason is writing there too... He was even writing on forum from E3, when there was problem with credit card payments... It is all about priorities...

100% wrong comparison. Jason represents 777 which is a RoF publisher. Or you can call them independent developer. They get the money for communication from sales. This is their job to communicate.

UBI is CoD publisher. It keeps the money for communication from sales. It is UBI job to communicate. 1C/MG does not get this part of money and this is why can not hire a communication manager. They provide support on these forums for free and as a goodwill. Your attitude does not encourage this goodwill much. You did not even bother to read this post explaining how it works or could not get it.

Originally Posted by robtek

Opitz, you are so full of yourself.

You didn't even research, no thats too much, you didn't even look how MG, 1c and UBI are connected.

It was already posted quite a few times.

MG is the developer, thats it, nothing more.

Devs don't do marketing!

1c is the publisher, the publisher does the financing and, here it comes, the marketing.
In the case of 1c only in the east.

In the rest of the world UBI is the publisher and accountable for the marketing.

We here have the unique situation that the devs are talking directly to us, they don't have to do this, there is no obligation, but they do it anyway.

So you are ranting against MG, which already does more than it has to do (fixing the sim) by giving us information that the publisher didn't give.

Next you say that Luthier, a person, i assume, you dont know personally, is incompetent.
Whow, i envy your insights in the workings of MG, you've worked there, or at least visited the company a few times.
Nah, i dont think so.

Furthermore you implement that somebody doesn't care if the faults are fixed, that talks a lot about your state of mind.

If one doesn't has to post something positive (pointing out bugs and errors is positive) and new, one shouldn't post at all.

Ooops! Reading my last sentence i shouldn't have posted this. Sorry, couldn't help it.