All I needed to hear....

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Shallow post not really... What is shallow is demanding he post every week about what he is doing when we already know what they are doing...

Why bother posting anything when all it does is appease ppl for less than an hour before the moaning starts again.

I have faith in luthier I have high expectations in the product and from what I have seen I trust the guys working away making this game better and better... Sure I was and an disappointed at what we got but you must be blind not to see the amount of effort the guys have put into this game.

They just bit off more than they could chew trying to hive us a fantastic product and what do we do? Do we praise there effort no we grab the pitch forks and go on a hunt.... Such a shameful display.

Why? Well, just because his customers WANT to... OMFG... this is just such straight evidence why everything in this "western" civilization goes straight to the toilet... Why? Why? Why? Just give/impose people what they don't want - and ignore them when they start to ask for something else and keep going as much as it is possible - this is the path to the prosperity (of companies, countries, societies, civilizations)...

Why bother with customers at all? Why the heck they are developing it btw? Just to have a work for next 10 years! Ha, now I got it... Shame they are not in European Union, they would ask for some kind of grant or subvention (to keep 25 people employed doing what nobody wants...)....

Just LOL... Sometimes it is just shocking what I can read here...

[JG52Krupi]

Wow optiz, shouldn't you be licking windows right now your clearly insane...

Yes I agree the western world is messed up and large companies get away with murder.... But this IS NOT a large company it's a small company producing a highly detailed and complex game for a TINY community.

I know that this game will be fixed 10 years of flying il2 have given me faith in the product... That enough for me.

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Wow optiz, shouldn't you be licking windows right now your clearly insane...

Yes I agree the western world is messed up and large companies get away with murder.... But this IS NOT a large company it's a small company producing a highly detailed and complex game for a TINY community.

I know that this game will be fixed 10 years of flying il2 have given me faith in the product... That enough for me.

I am not talking about MG in this particular post, I referred to your post - your question "why", because it's always customers (of companies or state(as citizens)) whose make a difference and put the products and services to the next and better level. So yes, I am saying this - people like you are responsible for such "quality" of "BOB", because you are just ignoring the facts and you are happy with it.. More, you are defending it together with unacceptable marketing behaviors.

Btw. size of company doesnt matter. It is about business model, if I can even call it like that in this case, - it is about the way of marketing. How you value your customers... What we see here is is called "transactional marketing", but it just doesn't fit to the type of customers MG have. That's the most funny part of it. That nobody in MG is educated or experiences enough to see it and make changes in their marketing strategy to cope with it. What a shocking difference is ROF team's strategy!

I know how difficult is to repair or change something with same people who screwed it up. It is just not possible. You must have new people. I am still convinced that Luthier should be fired long time ago and new experienced manager should be working here on damage control and customer satisfaction... But probably, the real owners of MG, doesn't care, because this is not making a living for them. Maybe it's just a hobby to them, or some kind of charity because of love of flight sim, but it backfires as the falling price and minimal sales are not making such important feedback to them.

But look, I will not give here some lecture how to run the a specific company on very specific market segment and how to talk with your loyal, longterm customers...
I really loved IL2 series, my life is different now, I have family, kids, weekend in counryside, many other hobbies and friends... Why to waste my precious free time with such pain like flying in CLOD? But I still feel the love to the flight sim, to the flying and I feel this voice has to be heard too - not this way anymore, you are killing the whole WW2 flight sim world...

[JG52Krupi]

You clearly have not being in flight sims much as you are quite naive, games like this one have a small team and little in the way of resources as no one want to fund a genre that requires a huge amount of work for rather little gain... The problems your are on about cannot be applied to this game and plenty of people are still refusing to buy rof due to it's marketing method... Another sim which was in a similar state to this one on release.... But, like so many before you, you decide to ignore that fact!!!

I'm not defending the marketing of the sim genre I am just able to realise that games like this are undermanned and underfunded when compared to games that sell well with a vast amount of finding little in the way of complexity compared to a sim game and still have a silly amount of bugs.... So if a company like activison can sell the same game each year and with a silly amount of bugs why is anyone surprised that games like cod and rof have faltering starts.

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

You clearly have not being in flight sims much as you are quite naive, games like this one have a small team and little in the way of resources as no one want to fund a genre that requires a huge amount of work for rather little gain... The problems your are on about cannot be applied to this game and plenty of people are still refusing to buy rof due to it's marketing method... Another sim which was in a similar state to this one on release.... But, like so many before you, you decide to ignore that fact!!!

I'm not defending the marketing of the sim genre I am just able to realise that games like this are undermanned and underfunded when compared to games that sell well with a vast amount of finding little in the way of complexity compared to a sim game and still have a silly amount of bugs.... So if a company like activison can sell the same game each year and with a silly amount of bugs why is anyone surprised that games like cod and rof have faltering starts.

If this is truth what you say, how the heck neoqb survived first release? How even smaller team of devs can live from even smaller market segment? Even some of IL2 fanboys don't want to buy it, they can play it FOR FREE! How they dare to give it for free?

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Opitz

If this is truth what you say, how the heck neoqb survived first release? How even smaller team of devs can live from even smaller market segment? Even some of IL2 fanboys don't want to buy it, they can play it FOR FREE! How they dare to give it for free?

I brought rof around release the only guy in jg52 to do so, they only just started giving the main game away for free and it has a similar sized team... it is a good game but was it good at release hell no..

[robtek]

Opitz, you are so full of yourself.

You didn't even research, no thats too much, you didn't even look how MG, 1c and UBI are connected.

It was already posted quite a few times.

MG is the developer, thats it, nothing more.

Devs don't do marketing!

1c is the publisher, the publisher does the financing and, here it comes, the marketing.
In the case of 1c only in the east.

In the rest of the world UBI is the publisher and accountable for the marketing.

We here have the unique situation that the devs are talking directly to us, they don't have to do this, there is no obligation, but they do it anyway.

So you are ranting against MG, which already does more than it has to do (fixing the sim) by giving us information that the publisher didn't give.

Next you say that Luthier, a person, i assume, you dont know personally, is incompetent.
Whow, i envy your insights in the workings of MG, you've worked there, or at least visited the company a few times.
Nah, i dont think so.

Furthermore you implement that somebody doesn't care if the faults are fixed, that talks a lot about your state of mind.

If one doesn't has to post something positive (pointing out bugs and errors is positive) and new, one shouldn't post at all.

Ooops! Reading my last sentence i shouldn't have posted this. Sorry, couldn't help it.

Originally Posted by robtek

Opitz, you are so full of yourself.

You didn't even research, no thats too much, you didn't even look how MG, 1c and UBI are connected.

It was already posted quite a few times.

MG is the developer, thats it, nothing more.

Devs don't do marketing!

1c is the publisher, the publisher does the financing and, here it comes, the marketing.
In the case of 1c only in the east.

In the rest of the world UBI is the publisher and accountable for the marketing.

We here have the unique situation that the devs are talking directly to us, they don't have to do this, there is no obligation, but they do it anyway.

So you are ranting against MG, which already does more than it has to do (fixing the sim) by giving us information that the publisher didn't give.

Next you say that Luthier, a person, i assume, you dont know personally, is incompetent.
Whow, i envy your insights in the workings of MG, you've worked there, or at least visited the company a few times.
Nah, i dont think so.

Furthermore you implement that somebody doesn't care if the faults are fixed, that talks a lot about your state of mind.

If one doesn't has to post something positive (pointing out bugs and errors is positive) and new, one shouldn't post at all.

Ooops! Reading my last sentence i shouldn't have posted this. Sorry, couldn't help it.

You guys are missing my point. It is nothing personal. But you react like little girls - don't forget to mention some of my errors in my psychological profile.

What you the heck talking about? Devs are talking to us? How, where? How often? You live in illusion...
Look... Luthier didnt deliver for Russians, for West and for USA... but he is still the right person in charge. Hell, yes!

edit. Luthier is doing "marketing" all the time, but as we can(or can't) see here, he is not aware of it... Lack of interaction with customer is also kind of communication...

[vicinity]

Originally Posted by Opitz

I know how difficult is to repair or change something with same people who screwed it up. It is just not possible. You must have new people. I am still convinced that Luthier should be fired long time ago and new experienced manager should be working here on damage control and customer satisfaction... But probably, the real owners of MG, doesn't care, because this is not making a living for them. Maybe it's just a hobby to them, or some kind of charity because of love of flight sim, but it backfires as the falling price and minimal sales are not making such important feedback to them.

Wow, that is some plain bare-faced cheek right there! Who are you exactly to think or say someone should be fired? What are you basing that opinion on? Luthier's job is to lead the development team that creates the game, as JG52Krupi said above there would likely be nothing in his contract telling him he has to post on a forum every week to appease a bunch of pessimistic complainers. Who exactly would you suggest they bring in that could better lead that team to continue fixing the game other than a man that has been working there pretty much from the beginning?

I also love how you go on to say "I will not give here some lecture how to run the a specific company on very specific market segment and how to talk with your loyal, longterm customers". Hilarious.

[Ze-Jamz]

Dude..its like a tennis match in here and i guess everyone's right..

I have faith too in this game..id be truly upset if it didn't succeed..i can play the game on very high settings, the only annoying thing right now is MP sound..the other things which there are a lot off i can wait for, like i said its not like i cant play the game..

weekly updates? not bothered..just updates would be nice and as ive said a thousand times would calm this place down ten fold...if no one can see that then there isnt any help for you..

Im lucky i can play the game..others cant so that group of people want reinsurance they havent just wasted money on this title..

Never known such arguments and tone come from just wanting to be kept in the know with progress...on a broken 'paid' product