the quality of this forum...

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

The quality of the forum reflects the average quality of the posters. There are problems in the game but when so many are so busy with the negative stuff that don't even dare to delve into whatever actually works as it should (and there is such a thing, if you haven't found out about it you're just not looking or don't care to find it), this "i want to be disappointed" attitude spills over into the forums, it's like a teenage suicide cult seeking new converts with all the "you're not having fun with the game, you're just too much of a fanboy to realize it" rhetoric, as if they know what each individual member of the community is looking for and prioritizes in a game

Personally, if i were to rank my pet peeves with the sim, the topics that get the most exposure (SLI/Crossfire, FSAA, sound engine) would be on the "almost don't give a you know what" part of the scale, while things like inconsistent controls and missing/not working aircraft systems would be ranking at first place, but you won't see me calling people idiots for having a fit over a non-antialiased radio aerial. People have different priorities and there's a vocal minority here that has a great deal of difficulty accepting this. Too bad for them i guess, because it's obvious that they don't represent everyone and on top of that, the more aggressively they try to push their agenda the more some level headed guys will become aggressive in return and campaign for their own set of preferred fixes to take precedence.

Remember when some of us were advocating optional clickable cockpits during development, so that we don't have to map and remember a gazillion different functions for all the new aircraft systems? A big part of the community was convinced, the developers were convinced, even some people posted here and thanked us for advocating something that at the point seemed pointless to them.

My point being, i can argue for a certain feature with the necessary consistency and do it without insulting people, so that i end up getting "converts to the cause" but i haven't been busting everyone's fuzzy dice on every single thread left and right to get them to fix my preferred issues ahead of everything else.

Seeing the tactics prevailing in the forum, maybe i was wrong. Maybe i should take up a forum campaign to have all the system modeling issues in every single flyable fixed before SLI and FSAA optimizations, just to get on some people's nerves and give them a taste of their own medicine.

I bet it will be infinitely easier to do for the developers as well, since most of the times it's simply some mismatched switches or a missing function in one aircraft that can be directly copied over from another one. I bet it's so much easier to do than fix FSAA and optimize texture loading and it carries enough weight in the gameplay side of things, that we might stand a very good chance of convincing the developers they should focus on that. The only thing that's stopping me is that it's summer time and i can't be bothered spending the weekends in front of the PC, but if the usual suspects keep repeating their rants and the game isn't fixed by mid-August i might just take up the crusade just to grind their gears and show them for once what it's like for the rest of us to be on the receiving end of their barrage

Sure, there are problems in the game and there's a couple dozen things i'd personally like to see changed or improved, but let's call a spade a spade here: some people have drummed up a whole lot of disruptive commotion, driven away whatever positive minded, contributing members, therefore putting a stop to whatever 3rd party/community improvements and involvement existed in spite of all the problems, and now they claim it's not because of their attitudes but something else.

I generally try to be smooth around the edges but maybe it detracts from getting the message across, so i think it's time to hammer the point home for once. If some people feel neglected by the developers they should at least not drive away whatever community members are working to improve THEIR gameplay experience. In other words, the best piece of advice i could offer to the nameless "whiner" of this forum is:

"If you can't present your complaints in a useful, non-aggravating way then either shut up for a while as the rest of the community tries to fix the game for you, or get stuck with a forever broken game and be forced to shut up once and for all because there'll be nothing to complain about in the long run. Your choice."


In other words,



a big +1 to the preceding quote.

+1 Blackdog you are my hero , its a pity that your post seem to go to waste.. a few days back I decided not to bother retorting to the more misguided members of this forum. I still read threads but unfortunately there are fewer and fewer decent threads on this forum and any that border on reasonable are dragged down and quickly descend into anarchy...

[Jatta Raso]

this's the situation as i see it: some days ago a fair share of the actual 'rioters' were trying to seriously discuss important aspects of the sim such as the landscape and trying to propose ways of making it better etc..

well their threads were trolled to death by the famous few, and barely anyone moved a straw to talk some sense into discussion but the ones affected... too bad huh?

as far as i see it it degenerated into the actual situation: lack of updates or news, mixed with the impossibility of open discussion without spamming verbal aggression towards the participants, led to a point where ppl started to blow off some steam...

i'm sure as soon as the new update comes around, all this side tracks will be off.. no need to get jumpy about it imho

[furbs]

Krupi, if i get called out im going to reply. That's fair isn't it?

Ask Carguy to give it a rest.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by furbs

Krupi, if i get called out im going to reply. That's fair isn't it?

Ask Carguy to give it a rest.

I would do but im scared he will blow a gasket...

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

I would do but im scared he will blow a gasket...

I think its too late...

[Rince]

The only sad thing is, that il-2 has a really good community, with loads of good ideas to improve the game. That proofs the first part of il-2 sturmovik! That it all turns into disapointment is understandable!
Look at all those arduous modders who played a big part in the history of il-2!
And even with the bad start of this part, they were very.... relaxed? And knowing to have such a good comm it`s really sad to see how they treat them!
I`m playing another game that had a comparable start an the comm was not really so empathetic like the one of this forum (and the devs were much much more communicative than they`re here, what is not really difficult...)! But.....i understand us!

To put a light at the end of the tunnel.... the other game is working good atm,...after 1,5 years it really gets playable!

[robtek]

This is a sorry bunch here, trolling for a response.

The quality of this forum...is pretty much the same as the game's.

[Rince]

That`s what i also thought...but c`mon the us release is today, and no word about it? I´m really relaxed and hope things turn into good by far, but a little bit strange it is...wait i got a call from chuc....no, I`ll not gonna turn into it!