Mini-update from devs

Originally Posted by David Hayward

They appear to be providing all that info. The problem is that you're not getting every detail that you are demanding. In some cases it's probably because they don't know the answer (if they knew every detail the game would not have any bugs in it). In other cases it's probably none of your Fing business.

Crongrats on sounding like a real man.
I'm not interested in anything that isnt my business, only what is going to be in patches which is my business because i own the game.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by BigPickle

Crongrats on sounding like a real man.
I'm not interested in anything that isnt my business, only what is going to be in patches which is my business because i own the game.

Then I don't see why you are complaining. There are regular updates from the devs posted on this board.

I'm not dave, I'm trying to explain a way to stop the whining people are doing, by giving out the knowledge each week, you know what its like, "its thursday already and no update blah blah" I get tired of reading that crap too, but if 1C had been a little more forthright with some facts in the begining peeps wouldnt be nagging for info right now because they would trust the info will come is all I'm saying.
I'm loving the game since the latest patch, online is becoming more and more fun.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by BigPickle

I'm not dave, I'm trying to explain a way to stop the whining people are doing, by giving out the knowledge each week, you know what its like, "its thursday already and no update blah blah" I get tired of reading that crap too, but if 1C had been a little more forthright with some facts in the begining peeps wouldnt be nagging for info right now because they would trust the info will come is all I'm saying.
I'm loving the game since the latest patch, online is becoming more and more fun.

I think they are being about as forthright as you could expect. Even if they gave out every detail people would still be whining.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by BigPickle

I'm not dave, I'm trying to explain a way to stop the whining people are doing, by giving out the knowledge each week, you know what its like, "its thursday already and no update blah blah" I get tired of reading that crap too, but if 1C had been a little more forthright with some facts in the begining peeps wouldnt be nagging for info right now because they would trust the info will come is all I'm saying.
I'm loving the game since the latest patch, online is becoming more and more fun.

By the way, I think being too forthright cause some of the trouble they are seeing now. The Su-26 being the prime example. How many games do you think they sold by saying it would include the Su-26? 5? 10? Now that it isn't in there those 5-10 people are all complaining. It was not worth mentioning.

Originally Posted by David Hayward

By the way, I think being too forthright cause some of the trouble they are seeing now. The Su-26 being the prime example. How many games do you think they sold by saying it would include the Su-26? 5? 10? Now that it isn't in there those 5-10 people are all complaining. It was not worth mentioning.

But thats my point there dave, i think the problem is trust, some people dont trust them and this has brought on all this whining.
I'm not defending all the ranting because it doesnt achieve anything and i'll be honest and say I was guilty of this too when i bought the game and it didnt work, but quite frankly at the time quite rightly so as i could even run the game.
Since then they have bought the game very much up to speed to an acceptable level for my pc, but alas i digress.

My honest opinion of why there is so much complaining is a trust issue, they are finding it hard to trust the company who in reality said there was quite a lot of things on the box that are not there.
Sorry but I cant blame them for that, but I dont blame 1C either because i do think it had a lot to do with the Epi filter crap that they were forced to put in the game and in doing so had to remove 50% of the game according to some sources, thats a massive amount of game, so that's gonna run havoc with the code.
So win back the trust with a routine and this moaning will stop.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by BigPickle

But thats my point there dave, i think the problem is trust, some people dont trust them and this has brought on all this whining.

People don't have any choice but to trust them. We don't have any other options. There is no one else producing WW2 flight sims.

Having said that, I think 777 is hinting that they might do a WW2 sim. If they do it will be probably be loaded with bugs at release. It's just the nature of the beast.

[[MAG]Pappy]

The situation as it exist now is that those that purchase the game have paid for a Release Candidate (RC). Even at that I would not rate this game as an RC. Looks more like a beta version.

From what I can tell the developers ran out of money and are selling an unfinished game to get an influx of funds.

[Strike]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

People don't have any choice but to trust them. We don't have any other options. There is no one else producing WW2 flight sims.

Having said that, I think 777 is hinting that they might do a WW2 sim. If they do it will be probably be loaded with bugs at release. It's just the nature of the beast.

Actually... I'd rather be seeing a day where perhaps 777 studios could create one of the expansions for this sim in a partnership with Maddox games where they would get the SDK and go crazy with it, then have maddox games do the final quality assurance.

[C_G]

Originally Posted by BigPickle

I'm not dave, I'm trying to explain a way to stop the whining people are doing, by giving out the knowledge each week, you know what its like, "its thursday already and no update blah blah" I get tired of reading that crap too, but if 1C had been a little more forthright with some facts in the begining peeps wouldnt be nagging for info right now because they would trust the info will come is all I'm saying.
I'm loving the game since the latest patch, online is becoming more and more fun.

I actually agree in fair measure with this statement. I think they could have opted for a paid beta (with a discount on the final release for those who shelled out for it). Most of the hard-core buyers would have been happy to pay to get their mitts on the sim even knowing that it was not a complete product, and would have been happy to help provide feedback to improve it.
Part of the dissatisfaction expressed on these boards is a result of mismanaged expectation.
We naturally expected a finished product, not one that would require some pretty fundamental patches to render it playable. This is the underlying reason people are pissed off.

That said, as I stated before, I think that OM and 1C have already established a pretty solid track record of supporting the IL2 series, they should certainly be given credit for that. There's a vocal minority who clearly won't be happy no matter how many updates they get so long as their particular pet peeve is not addressed.

Frankly, there's not much we can do about those people [except do our best to ignore them].