Please keep the realism!

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by White Owl

I don't own the game yet because my computer broke and I'm waiting on parts, so just looking at Youtube videos for now.

I posted earlier that I've seen a whole lot of real-life aircraft tachometers in operation, since I fixed airplanes professionally for years. Most of those tachs were mechanical, not electric. I have never seen a tachometer needle bounce around like I'm seeing in the videos, not under any circumstance. However... I'm willing to accept the possibility that British and Italian tachometers of the era could have differed from anything else I've ever seen. It's also very likely that any currently airworthy warbirds will have modern instruments, so we can't divine the truth of the matter by looking at in-cockpit recordings now.

Ok. If the devs have evidence that tach needles of the day oscillated that badly, then let's keep it that way in the game.

But I can't help thinking it's very strange that in all the books I've read about WWII aviation - with so many reports from combat pilots comparing their aircraft to more modern planes - not once have I come across a phrase anything like "Of course, back then our engine instruments were so inaccurate you couldn't tell exactly what RPM it was turning, so we just set the throttle and prop controls to 'close enough' and got on with it."

I have no first-hand experience but there's something else that makes me think that the old instruments were in fact a bit "funky". If you look at the way A2A simulations modeled it for their FSX add-on Spitfires, the RPM needle is also bouncing around the actual value quite a bit.

[JG52Uther]

I started the thread not just because of the needles and cut out,just a general concern about moving away from realism just because some people weren't happy with it,which is the impression I got from the beta post thread.
I agree there are many issues more important than bouncy needles,the incorrect low ceiling of the planes is a biggie,but thats not what the thread is about.

[Topo]

+1 Keep it real

[335th_GRAthos]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

I started the thread not just because of the needles and cut out,just a general concern about moving away from realism just because some people weren't happy with it,which is the impression I got from the beta post thread.

+1 on this point Uther, it is very concerning that this thread turned into a "Gimme my realistic bouncing needles back" which is absolute and total nonsense because there is no historic evidence of "dancing needles", actually more of the opposite!


People are jumping on the bandwagon for the right war, but for the wrong fight!



PS. Thanks Blackdog_kt for posting it

~S~

[kimosabi]

It did NOT turn into a needles discussion. People that keep mentioning all the comments about the needles are making it a needles discussion. So please check your own wagon.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by 335th_GRAthos

a "Gimme my realistic bouncing needles back" which is absolute and total nonsense because there is no historic evidence of "dancing needles", actually more of the opposite!

perhaps you would share this "actually more of the opposite" information with us?

[41Sqn_Banks]

I wonder if the devs have seen this thread.

[skouras]

personally i want a smooth gameplay and a realism
if in true life the needles don't dance i have no problem with that
but i want a sim as real as its get

[IvanK]

Have a look at this Glorious video Full screen 720HD.

About 2:20 in a cockpit shot of a Hudson ... all engine instruments rock steady.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIK04PA0d9U

[335th_GRAthos]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

perhaps you would share this "actually more of the opposite" information with us?

It was on the PS. Previous page (page 20)

Originally Posted by White Owl
I don't own the game yet because my computer broke and I'm waiting on parts, so just looking at Youtube videos for now.

I posted earlier that I've seen a whole lot of real-life aircraft tachometers in operation, since I fixed airplanes professionally for years. Most of those tachs were mechanical, not electric. I have never seen a tachometer needle bounce around like I'm seeing in the videos, not under any circumstance. However... I'm willing to accept the possibility that British and Italian tachometers of the era could have differed from anything else I've ever seen. It's also very likely that any currently airworthy warbirds will have modern instruments, so we can't divine the truth of the matter by looking at in-cockpit recordings now.

Ok. If the devs have evidence that tach needles of the day oscillated that badly, then let's keep it that way in the game.

But I can't help thinking it's very strange that in all the books I've read about WWII aviation - with so many reports from combat pilots comparing their aircraft to more modern planes - not once have I come across a phrase anything like "Of course, back then our engine instruments were so inaccurate you couldn't tell exactly what RPM it was turning, so we just set the throttle and prop controls to 'close enough' and got on with it."

I am sorry I can not express an opinion since I have never seen a plane with mechanical instruments so I keep my mouth shut, unlike the dozens of "experts" here who decided to fly the banner of needles-realism high, without actually knowing what they are talking about!

Awesome group dynamics but, please gents, use your brains more and less your emotions!

REALISM IS GOOD I am 100% percent behind you guys! But as I said dozens of posts ago, who on earth said that mechanical needles jumped as much in reality???
The people who have seen mechanical instruments in their life said the opposite! (at least in the posts I read, if you have other, I am keen to read)

Uther said it clearly, this thread should stick to REALISM and not needless needles discussions!


Sorry for jumping hard but when I tried mildly nobody understood the message. Probably the lack of experience in "face-saving" excersises (the mechanical-electrical discussion) and the eagerness of people to fight for a good cause, makes everybody jumping around without looking at the underlying facts.



PS #1. Polls!? No polls! What kind of poll will this be? All the mechanical needles experts will decide on what is realistic for a 1939 aircraft instrument? Needless...


PS #2. If you want to make yourselves useful, check where the Revi gunsight (Bf109) points at (press Shift-F1 first!), with and without cockpit, and then tell me how realistic this is... (just to spare you the headache: http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...ml#Post3271206 )


Happy Flying!

~S~