How many real pilots here? :)

[PE_Tigar]

Originally Posted by kimosabi

Hey thanks man. Is there any specific reasons to why the Cherokee should be avoided? Because it's a low wing config?

Yes, there are financing possibilities, I just like to have some funds ready, just in case. I'm finished paying down a loan two months from now and I was planning to convert that monthly expense into PPL education. Theory and practical does go on simoultaneously but here in Norway, we don't always have the best weather. Sometimes they have to cancel scheduled airtime with students because of that. Will pop in at the aeroclub from time to time, yes. Cheers!

I say go with the cheaper one, or if the price is the same, take the one with better avionics. You WILL appreciate a good HSI, glass cockpit or a GPS over the steam gauges when you get to do the IR, or when you get into some less then pleasant weather.

Piper's fuel cock is a nuisance (one more task, have to switch it left or right all the time), and due to the low wing takes less crosswind on landings. Also, in most low wing models you have to fiddle with the fuel pump on takeoff. etc. However, Piper usually has a more simple engine startup procedures (talk about the 172SP "three hands" startup) and tends to have less draught in the cockpit (real important in cold weather, trust me ). Newer Cessnas float quite a bit on landing, as they have a very low stalling speed. Pipers float less, but are easier to stall. On the other hand, you can hardly notice you've stalled a Piper (which can be dangerous), in a Cessna power-on stalls are quite dramatic, though harmless.

As with visibility - low wing means you don't see anything approaching you from below or opposite from the side you're turning to, high wing - the opposite. But for that reason high wing is better for "IFR" (I follow roads) navigation. Anyway, horses for courses - my favourite single engine now is a PA28R with a turbo engine, HSI and Garmin G530 - rather cheap to fly, pretty fast and fully IFR, and less complicated than, say, C-172RG which we have also in our flying club, which was my favorite before.

Both Cessna and Cherokee are docile, stable and forgiving airplanes. The differences are as above, but if I was making a choice it would come down to the two particular planes, and avionics especially.

[kimosabi]

Originally Posted by PE_Tigar

I say go with the cheaper one, or if the price is the same, take the one with better avionics. You WILL appreciate a good HSI, glass cockpit or a GPS over the steam gauges when you get to do the IR, or when you get into some less then pleasant weather.

Piper's fuel cock is a nuisance (one more task, have to switch it left or right all the time), and due to the low wing takes less crosswind on landings. Also, in most low wing models you have to fiddle with the fuel pump on takeoff. etc. However, Piper usually has a more simple engine startup procedures (talk about the 172SP "three hands" startup) and tends to have less draught in the cockpit (real important in cold weather, trust me ). Newer Cessnas float quite a bit on landing, as they have a very low stalling speed. Pipers float less, but are easier to stall. On the other hand, you can hardly notice you've stalled a Piper (which can be dangerous), in a Cessna power-on stalls are quite dramatic, though harmless.

As with visibility - low wing means you don't see anything approaching you from below or opposite from the side you're turning to, high wing - the opposite. But for that reason high wing is better for "IFR" (I follow roads) navigation. Anyway, horses for courses - my favourite single engine now is a PA28R with a turbo engine, HSI and Garmin G530 - rather cheap to fly, pretty fast and fully IFR, and less complicated than, say, C-172RG which we have also in our flying club, which was my favorite before.

Both Cessna and Cherokee are docile, stable and forgiving airplanes. The differences are as above, but if I was making a choice it would come down to the two particular planes, and avionics especially.

Looks like I have to go low wing either way. They are selling the 172 and replacing it with a Grob 115D this easter. I haven't peeked in the cockpit of either one yet so I can't really make an informed decision about which avionics to pick, but thanks a bunch man! Will definitely consider the avionics and ask about it before I schedule.

[bongodriver]

UK CPL/IR with 3000 ish hours, am currently flying the Learjet 45, in a former life I used to fly fixed wing for HM Coastguard on search and rescue and recon, I have a fair bit of taildragger time in Tiger moths and Stearmans.

[He111]

I bet the dork pilots can out fly the real pilots.

He111.

[TeeJay82]

Originally Posted by He111

I bet the dork pilots can out fly the real pilots.

He111.

In the end, it all comes down to your own brain`s ability to process information,safety and logic

[Huncowboy]

Originally Posted by He111

I bet the dork pilots can out fly the real pilots.

He111.

LOL I bet you are right. I am flying an airbus for a living and I have no idea how to shoot those damn britts down. So far had 2 water landings and a crash landing within 3 missions. Ummm... and no kills. For now I will blame it on the frame rates This game will be fun in no time, just like the older IL series. I've played them all. I am so glad that this is finally out even if it needs work.

Originally Posted by PE_Tigar

I say go with the cheaper one, or if the price is the same, take the one with better avionics. You WILL appreciate a good HSI, glass cockpit or a GPS over the steam gauges when you get to do the IR, or when you get into some less then pleasant weather.

Piper's fuel cock is a nuisance (one more task, have to switch it left or right all the time), and due to the low wing takes less crosswind on landings. Also, in most low wing models you have to fiddle with the fuel pump on takeoff. etc. However, Piper usually has a more simple engine startup procedures (talk about the 172SP "three hands" startup) and tends to have less draught in the cockpit (real important in cold weather, trust me ). Newer Cessnas float quite a bit on landing, as they have a very low stalling speed. Pipers float less, but are easier to stall. On the other hand, you can hardly notice you've stalled a Piper (which can be dangerous), in a Cessna power-on stalls are quite dramatic, though harmless.

As with visibility - low wing means you don't see anything approaching you from below or opposite from the side you're turning to, high wing - the opposite. But for that reason high wing is better for "IFR" (I follow roads) navigation. Anyway, horses for courses - my favourite single engine now is a PA28R with a turbo engine, HSI and Garmin G530 - rather cheap to fly, pretty fast and fully IFR, and less complicated than, say, C-172RG which we have also in our flying club, which was my favorite before.

Both Cessna and Cherokee are docile, stable and forgiving airplanes. The differences are as above, but if I was making a choice it would come down to the two particular planes, and avionics especially.

Ditto, Cherokee is a fat ass thing, but again it's down to what you want to do with it (career as opposed to fun). I love steam gauges but that's just me and my fixation for vintage aviation, I went on a Cirrus with a complete glass cockpit and and I was shocked by the amount of info and cool stuff you can do today!