Shame on you for using STEAM !

[Vyper]

Originally Posted by Dano

Steam does not force you to patch, there is an option on every game to set it to manual not automatic updates.

Which does not work at all with Arma2/Arma2 OA whether you have those options selected or not. It forces you to patch. And you don't get a patch...you get the entire patched game re-downloaded to your HD. Fun for those guys that chose valve instead of hardcopy.

I don't care whether it is offered on steam for those who prefer it that way. I am hugely against FORCING EVERYONE to use steam to play multiplayer. I will not have it back on a system I own.

[Revvin]

Originally Posted by Vyper

Which does not work at all with Arma2/Arma2 OA whether you have those options selected or not. It forces you to patch. And you don't get a patch...you get the entire patched game re-downloaded to your HD. Fun for those guys that chose valve instead of hardcopy.

I don't care whether it is offered on steam for those who prefer it that way. I am hugely against FORCING EVERYONE to use steam to play multiplayer. I will not have it back on a system I own.

Did it not occur to you that its the developer at fault and not Steam? Other games download small patches and update, Team Fortress 2, Call of Duty games etc.

[Revvin]

For anyone who is interested there is already a group on Steam for IL-2 CoD here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/IL2COD

[mazex]

Originally Posted by Vyper

Which does not work at all with Arma2/Arma2 OA whether you have those options selected or not. It forces you to patch. And you don't get a patch...you get the entire patched game re-downloaded to your HD. Fun for those guys that chose valve instead of hardcopy.

I don't care whether it is offered on steam for those who prefer it that way. I am hugely against FORCING EVERYONE to use steam to play multiplayer. I will not have it back on a system I own.

OK - good bye then!

[Novotny]

Vyper - you are Galen Thurber and I claim my £10!

God, it's been so long since this guy used to stalk Hyperlobby, I'd almost completely forgotten about him.

You must be the same guy, right? Exactly the same arguments and approach.

For those who may not remember him:

http://flightsimhq.org/hyperlobby/index.php

I had no idea you were back in a business. Time to invest in aluminium, those tinfoil rolls are going to start flying off the shelves again!

[mazex]

I've been using Steam since day one (2003?) and I only had a problem once with some obscure old game that I bought on a sale for a few euros. I emailed support and they fixed it the day after (some issue with too many buying it so the keys ran out ). Other than that I think it works great... A few months ago I got annoyed that I had once chosen the default install dir on C: and wanted to move it to my large D: drive. Moved the whole steam dir and was scanning for which settings to fix to get it running - but I tried starting it before doing anything... And it worked like a charm! All games just worked even though I had moved it to another drive "under the sheet"... Nice!

EDIT: My only issue with Steam is the 1 euro = 1 dollar issue that is really annoying...

[tintifaxl]

Originally Posted by meshuggahs

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Besides the steam anticheat (VAC?) is more than wellcome.

VAC is a toothless old dog, that can't bite any of the cheaters. Look at CS:S or COD. Absolutely useless.

[meshuggahs]

Originally Posted by tintifaxl

VAC is a toothless old dog, that can't bite any of the cheaters. Look at CS:S or COD. Absolutely useless.

Can't say bout those two, but TF2 seemed pretty clean of cheaters when I still played it.
Anyhoo, some protection is better than none

[kashwashwa]

Originally Posted by Vyper

Steam is a virus...

Playing ARMA2 CO is a perfect example of why I won't deal with steam. I can run the game without a hitch, and make choices for myself. Squad members who bought it via steam are forced to take patches the DAY the are released on steam, regardless of settings, keeping them off the server...just as one example. I won't go into the nightmare that is encountered if they want to run mods like ACE2 for example.

Please do go into the nightmare that is encountered.

I have every piece of DLC for the game, I've installed all of the mods I want (Even ACE2!), I play online with several different groups of people and I have never had an issue because the game is on steam.

[Vyper]

Originally Posted by kashwashwa

Please do go into the nightmare that is encountered.

I have every piece of DLC for the game, I've installed all of the mods I want (Even ACE2!), I play online with several different groups of people and I have never had an issue because the game is on steam.

You don't think changing your batch file in some remote call is a headache? Perhaps your computer skills are much higher than the average person. I have walked through arma2 steam issues with people enough to know I won't do it anymore (one of the steam guys handles all the issues with steam users now). I never said it won't work...what I said was it is not easy to make it work. PITA is a term that comes to mind.

I don't care. I rent a small arma server for our squad. This last 6 months has seen a number of patches released...and I could control when I put a patch up on the server...but the steam guys always forced the issue or couldn't play because of they are controlled by valve.

All that said...its a choice. Which I like. because I choose not to have steam installed to I can be part of data collection for marketing and a simpler operation overall without 3rd party crap. When the choice is removed, thats what I have issue with.