Could 6-DoF ever be available in 4.2 if players could forgive small Graphics issues

[robtek]

Because of "strapped in and not being able to move much" i'd like to remark that from all i've read about it, it seems that most fighter pilots did choose to be only loosely strapped in to have the freedom to move.
Also in almost every description of a intended crash landing "tightening the straps" is mentioned.

[jameson]

Just like to post some thoughts here that occured whilst reading this thread. Firstly, that even if tightly strapped in, it is still possible to move your head from side to side and to rotate it to look somewhat behind you over the shoulder. Combine this with the very small canopy of the bf109, (and the Spitfire's cockpit and canopy were only very slightly bigger) and that alone would have afforded a fairly good all round view, IMHO. In fact, why were spitfires fitted early on with 'blown' canopies at all? Following the logic of some posters here it would have been a complete waste of time and effort, something the British didn't have much of in 1940. I have used headtracking in the past and think that this gives a much more realistic view from the cockpit (when it worked!), than the rigid pov permitted by the on stick hat switch. I didn't find the "holes" that much of a problem, and for 109's at least these were fixed early on by the modders. See Hauptmann Phillips on the Russian front sitting in his 109, at 20+ seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roO9v9M9QIo&NR=1

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Thats the funniest footcam of WW2 I 've ever seen (the guy that gets blown away).

To me this small timeframe, where you can see the pilot, tells me following: There is no much space to move upward. Pilot can definitly move his head quite a bit, even if he is strapped. Its even easy ergonomical testing, which I can do at home - without moving my upper body, I can get my eyes near the line of my shoulders, although I cannot keep my head straight horizontal, but have to bank it. I also can look directly behind me, but again not straight and with one eye only.

But I think this is all well clear - the fixed 4DoF is as unrealistic as the 6DoF in mods is.
I say the kind and ammount of movement in a WW2 airplane, no matter which one, is very restricted (with the Bf109 being a very narrow one). And a 6DoF solution has to be like this.

[Erkki]

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

Thats the funniest footcam of WW2 I 've ever seen (the guy that gets blown away).

To me this small timeframe, where you can see the pilot, tells me following: There is no much space to move upward. Pilot can definitly move his head quite a bit, even if he is strapped. Its even easy ergonomical testing, which I can do at home - without moving my upper body, I can get my eyes near the line of my shoulders, although I cannot keep my head straight horizontal, but have to bank it. I also can look directly behind me, but again not straight and with one eye only.

But I think this is all well clear - the fixed 4DoF is as unrealistic as the 6DoF in mods is.
I say the kind and ammount of movement in a WW2 airplane, no matter which one, is very restricted (with the Bf109 being a very narrow one). And a 6DoF solution has to be like this.

Agreed with. AHII has it pretty restricted already, but maybe still a little too loose. Also buttons and axis need to be given to those without head tracking devices.

Maybe also possibility to "save" a head position behind hotkeys, like the Shift+F1 button now in the game.

[janpitor]

I think this is a good idea. An 6-dof incorporated in a way simulating real restrictions and with a possibility of not using TIR

[trashcanman]

Originally Posted by Feathered_IV

It seems your personal issues are far beyond the scope of this thread, or perhaps even this forum. I'm curious though, could you explain for me the significance of the "Team Blueadalos" phrase. You use it as if it's some triumph of rapier-like wit and an overpowering intellectual smackdown, so I'm hoping you can explain.

No, I am not using the phrase in the way that you have described and nor would I take such a patronising presumptive attitude to other peoples opinions.

However that seems to be a common attitude on this forum

TD, in my opinion (and where I live we are still allowed to have those (England btw)) is modding IL-2 to an agenda driven by those players that only fly Blue \ LW.

Again ...my OPINION ... is that ok?

[robtek]

Originally Posted by trashcanman

No, I am not using the phrase in the way that you have described and nor would I take such a patronising presumptive attitude to other peoples opinions.

However that seems to be a common attitude on this forum

TD, in my opinion (and where I live we are still allowed to have those (England btw)) is modding IL-2 to an agenda driven by those players that only fly Blue \ LW.

Again ...my OPINION ... is that ok?

Well t-man, you know the saying about opinions?
They are like a**holes, everybody has one, and nobody wants to see the other ones!
Having said that, i'd like to mention that your opinion seem very unique, as it isn't shared by anyone so far.

[trashcanman]

Originally Posted by robtek

Well t-man, you know the saying about opinions?
They are like a**holes, everybody has one, and nobody wants to see the other ones!
Having said that, i'd like to mention that your opinion seem very unique, as it isn't shared by anyone so far.

Just because you and the people you associate with don't share my views, that does not necessarily make them wrong

The fact that you resort to that particular orafice in your analogy tells me a lot about the lifestyle choice you have made.
I make no judgement on that and wish you good luck, good health and happiness in your relationships