4.101 RC - List of fixes

[JtD]

No, that was aileron trim, and it has been changed.

[PE_Tihi]

Originally Posted by jtd

no, that was aileron trim, and it has been changed.

loll!

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by JtD

No, that was aileron trim, and it has been changed.

ah right, but what about the change to the elevator trim, it does seem to take a lot more trim to maintain a level attitude at about 280-300kmh

the rest of the spit characteristics are fine imo, the aileron fix is appreciated and it seems... well, it seems to give more warning of a stall, and require flying properly. as this is the case, will "spitnoob" become a phrase of the past?!

[JtD]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

ah right, but what about the change to the elevator trim, it does seem to take a lot more trim to maintain a level attitude at about 280-300kmh

the rest of the spit characteristics are fine imo, the aileron fix is appreciated and it seems... well, it seems to give more warning of a stall, and require flying properly. as this is the case, will "spitnoob" become a phrase of the past?!

A Spitfire V as tested by NACA went practically into stall with the elevator still depressed at about 4° (~25% of travel). It did a 3g turn at 170 mph with the elevator at about neutral. Think about that when you check in game behaviour.

The neutral trim point of the elevator trim can be set by the pilot in game, so I don't think it matters much. I just trim it down a lot on take off and then have more fun flying the thing than I ever had before.

[PE_Tihi]

Originally Posted by JtD

A Spitfire V as tested by NACA went practically into stall with the elevator still depressed at about 4° (~25% of travel). It did a 3g turn at 170 mph with the elevator at about neutral. Think about that when you check in game behaviour.

The neutral trim point of the elevator trim can be set by the pilot in game, so I don't think it matters much. I just trim it down a lot on take off and then have more fun flying the thing than I ever had before.

I could not visit the only site I could find reporting on this NACA Spit test you quote-the browser forbids the site as unsafe.(ww2aircraft.net)

Could you find any such data on the heavy trimming necessary on the Spitfire, from a British source? Like the spitfireperformance site, for example?

Engineers have been known of mounting the things upside down on unfamiliar foreign equipment, you know.

Any trimming increases drag, reducing speed. Not irrelevent to a transport, you see.

Ahm, what's this:

' "It happened that Wright Field had the only Spitfire in America-a Mark V. Unfortunately almost every pilot in the Air Corps had had a go on her and like a car that had too many drivers, she was the worse for wear...'She was very tired, very sloppy-she'd had the guts caned out of her all right."


NACA got it for testing after that.'

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...91603&start=15


Hmm? How about looking at the sources that say the things you may not like , too ?

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by PE_Tihi

I could not visit the only site I could find reporting on this NACA Spit test you quote-the browser forbids the site as unsafe.(ww2aircraft.net)

Could you find any such data on the heavy trimming necessary on the Spitfire, from a British source? Like the spitfireperformance site, for example?

Engineers have been known of mounting the things upside down on unfamiliar foreign equipment, you know.

Any trimming increases drag, reducing speed. Not irrelevent to a transport, you see.

this is incorrect. you use trim as it has a lesser drag penalty than using stick controls. a correctly trimmed plane should fly faster than the same plane being kept level using pilot input, no?

JtD - as for neutral trim point being settable in game, how would i go about doing this, or do you just mean dialing in trim for straight and level and that is the neutral point?

[PE_Tihi]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

this is incorrect. you use trim as it has a lesser drag penalty than using stick controls. a correctly trimmed plane should fly faster than the same plane being kept level using pilot input, no?

JtD - as for neutral trim point being settable in game, how would i go about doing this, or do you just mean dialing in trim for straight and level and that is the neutral point?

If you 'turn' the whole horizontal stabilizer plane to get the plane in trim for its 'most important' flight regime (certain airspeed), you get less drag at that speed than by deflecting the elevator by a trim tab, increasing the elevator airfoil chamber.

This is one reason for 'flying tails', too.

Accordingly, it would have been quite sloppy from Supermarine to deliver such a plane NACA is talking about. It would mean the drag in order to neutralize the wing-lift moment (trim drag) is higher than neccessary.

[JtD]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

JtD - as for neutral trim point being settable in game, how would i go about doing this, or do you just mean dialing in trim for straight and level and that is the neutral point?

Yes, that's what I just mean. It was poor wording on my part, sorry.

[Fafnir_6]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

will "spitnoob" become a phrase of the past?!

Yes.

Having seen some of the comments from TD since 4.10 came out, my understanding is that the other n00b uberwarbirds in the game will be served with the same/similar treatment in 4.11 or future releases. I think they would have liked to fix these others as well but TD has limited resources, so it may wind up being only one uberwarbird at a time getting fixed (the spitfire just had the bad/good luck to be the first to get fixed). I also know that DT is painstaking in their compliance to the available references and will not make a change unless new reference material becomes available. To those of you who are complaining about the spits in 4.10/4.10.1, your best, only hope is to find a verifiable document from a relevant authority that outlines any change you think should be applied. Submit these respectfully to DT and I'm sure you will see something come of it. I personally think (as do many here) that the 4.09 spit needed to be fixed (hence the "spitnoob" name-calling) and that DT has done a masterful job of it. It still sucks to get owned by LA-7 drivers and such online but I have a feeling they are about to get a short drop back to reality as well .

Cheers DT and thanks for another masterpiece,

Fafnir_6

P.S. Much about the content of upcoming DT patches can be revealed when a DT member posts here. I'd advise anyone with an interest in such things to PAY ATTENTION when someone like Viikate, FC99 or Caspar posts in these forums, the future will reveal itself (it also helps to be respectful and friendly towards our patchmakers). Il-2 4.11 is gonna rule .

[PE_Tihi]

Originally Posted by Fafnir_6

To those of you who are complaining about the spits in 4.10/4.10.1, your best, only hope is to find a verifiable document from a relevant authority ... Submit these respectfully to DT and I'm sure you will see something come of it.

LOL! Our only hope? I am simply not going to fly the TD Spit anymore, neither the whole game soon, you see. A new one is coming out, don't you know? If you implying TD cancelled the revised Spit FM cause some of us here haven't submitted respectfully - well, then it s their work they have been doing harm to.
Should we, after collecting and sieving the data, respectfully make the FM for them, too?

Originally Posted by Fafnir_6

I personally think (as do many here) that the 4.09 spit needed to be fixed (hence the "spitnoob" name-calling) and that DT has done a masterful job of it.
...

Cheers DT and thanks for another masterpiece,

Exactly what I have been talking about. A common one around, that s the attitude you obviously share with the TD; you both have no idea what may be wrong in the plane FM, but know it is too good to be true, and needs to be 'fixed'.

Who seeks, finds; so the NACA test of a Wright-Field hack has been found...In all probability the plane had a bent fuselage from a hard landing.

If your TD idols share the high and mighty stance of yours, they 're heading for a hard landing, too. Even without them 'fixing' the FM's the game' s days are counted. Quite soon FB is going to become a private occasion flown by TD for the most part. That s why they have been given the FM's to play with.

Originally Posted by Fafnir_6

P.S. Much about the content of upcoming DT patches can be revealed when a DT member posts here. I'd advise anyone with an interest in such things to PAY ATTENTION when someone like Viikate, FC99 or Caspar posts in these forums, the future will reveal itself (it also helps to be respectful and friendly towards our patchmakers). Il-2 4.11 is gonna rule .

..PAY ATTENTION .. someone like.. and the future will reveal itself.. Well, this needs no comment LOL!