Head Tracking with Cliffs of Dover

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by vicinity

Well, actually Blackdog_kt's post shows the law is very clear. It is NP and not FT breaking the law. You don't have to go to court to see how the law works, case studys obviously make things a lot clearer but that's not going to happen until another company decides to get in on the head tracking market.

It quite possibly would be if there are no alternatives, but, alternatives have shown

Originally Posted by vicinity

Also, mouselook is not 6dof - mouselook moves in two axis x and y.

You mention one of those alternatives here and Mouse Look (aka Freelook) offers the full 6DoF

Originally Posted by vicinity

Actually FT is at 2.2 something atm and future updates are still planned.

last maintenance release was on 200 Nov 2008

Originally Posted by vicinity

If there was a standard interface for headtracking in games anyone could come into the market.

I don't see anyone as disputing that


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NP obviously don't want that though because you can charge for much more your product when there is no competition. Most of their updates are just to allow you to use their software on the most recently supported games and that is only because of the encryption they added to prevent other headtrackers entering the market and as they see it, using their hardwork (of getting developers to support headtracking).

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Many have agreed that a software author has every right to protect the work and efforts

Originally Posted by vicinity

What really should happen is for developers to leave headtracking options for all, rather than only supporting TrackIR and allowing NP to keep their monopoly.

refer back to Mouse Look comments

[vicinity]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

It quite possibly would be if there are no alternatives, but, alternatives have shown

You mention one of those alternatives here and Mouse Look (aka Freelook) offers the full 6DoF

It doesn't matter how many times you say it, mouselook is 2dof, not 6.

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

last maintenance release was on 200 Nov 2008

Yes, and what has that got to do wtih what i've posted?

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

I don't see anyone as disputing that

Yes, i'm making a point that I think that it is how it should be.

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

Many have agreed that a software author has every right to protect the work and efforts

Yes, they have a right to protect their work and efforts, but I don't think they should stop anyone from trying to enter the market, and that they should make it easier for developers and gamers by supporting a standard way of providing headtracking i.e. like we have with joysticks, as others have already posted in this thread.

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

refer back to Mouse Look comments

refer back to the that not being 6dof comment earlier.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_freedom

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by vicinity

It doesn't matter how many times you say it, mouselook is 2dof, not 6.

Yaw, Pitch, Zoom, Strafe, Lean, Crouch and Jump looks an awful lot like 6DoF

Originally Posted by vicinity

Yes, and what has that got to do wtih what i've posted?

It is a clear response to what you posted; "Actually FT is at 2.2 something atm and future updates are still planned." ... the last update was 2.5 years ago

Originally Posted by vicinity

Yes, i'm making a point that I think that it is how it should be.

and you have agreement on that, so is there a problem?

Originally Posted by vicinity

Yes, they have a right to protect their work and efforts,

excellent

Originally Posted by vicinity

but I don't think they should stop anyone from trying to enter the market, and that they should make it easier for developers and gamers by supporting a standard way of providing headtracking i.e. like we have with joysticks, as others have already posted in this thread.

"they" aren't trying to stop anyone from entering the market, Vicinity..."they are trying to protect their work, their efforts and you agreed earlier that protecting the work and efforts was okay

Originally Posted by vicinity

refer back to the that not being 6dof comment earlier.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_freedom

Thank you, you've just decribed Yaw, Pitch, Zoom, Strafe, Lean, Crouch and Jump







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@ Novotny... well said

[vicinity]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

Yaw, Pitch, Zoom, Strafe, Lean, Crouch and Jump looks an awful lot like 6DoF

You control x and y with mouse look, that's 2dof, two axis you can control. To have 6dof you need to be able to control all six which can't be done with just mouselook!

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

It is a clear response to what you posted; "Actually FT is at 2.2 something atm and future updates are still planned." ... the last update was 2.5 years ago

I said that Freetrack was on version 2.2something in response to someone saying it was 2.0. I also said that there are future updates planned, as can be seen on their website. That had nothing to do with how long ago its last update was.

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

"they" aren't trying to stop anyone from entering the market, Vicinity..."they are trying to protect their work, their efforts and you agreed earlier that protecting the work and efforts was okay

They are trying to but that's an opinion, I think by encrypting how information from the game is accessed it is clear NP are doing their best to keep the monopoly the have on the market, if they would accept that they can't be the only ones in the market forever it would make it easier for devlopers to provide headtracking to more people. It's clear neither of us will change our position on this so I don't think there is much point in arguing it any further.

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

Thank you, you've just decribed Yaw, Pitch, Zoom, Strafe, Lean, Crouch and Jump

I'm trying to make you understand the difference in 6dof and the 2dof using a mouse to look around provides, i'm not really sure why i'm bothering though.

[Stipe]

What do you pay when you buy track ir? I'm not talking about the camera and the clip. Every Chinese company can make that for 5$. You pay software.
Is it worth the money? It cost's 3 times as much as COD will. Is the code more complicated then COD? I don't think so. Why other company's don't sell their HT product but make it free you ask? Because they have some dignity and are not trying to sell you bottled air. Why devs include only track ir then?
Use your logic.
We can bit.h as much as we like, but until the devs realize, that track ir is not the only solution that work, we are wasting our time.

[Novotny]

Um, for what it's worth, here's my onion.

I'd like freetrack, or any other variant, to be really good.

I bought TrackIR4 when really drunk, but have never regretted it. It's brilliant, and does what it says on the tin, as some UK readers may appreciate.

Clearly, NP ask for as much money as they can. They are a business, and so try to get as much cash from their users as they will pay. I can understand that, despite wishing their product didn't cost as much.

And, er... is there anything else to say? If TrackIR is too pricey, use an alternative. Better still, develop an alternative. But mouthing off about it doesn't really do much, other than perhaps encourage others to develop said alternative.

Maybe if people spent less time posting and more time developing, they could create an alternative too.

[Stipe]

Why would they waste the time to be later excluded out of the game/market?
And be sure, if track ir would cost as much as it's worth, i would be the first one to buy it. That's around 50$. Why it costs as much as it does? You said it yourself. Because people pay. And why? God knows. Maybe they are all using they credit card while drunk.

[Novotny]

Well, I think I said that it is as good as you imagine it is. Which it is. Thus, they can charge an amount which will cover their costs and still entice people to buy it. Which I presume they do, as they are still in business.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Stipe

What do you pay when you buy track ir? I'm not talking about the camera and the clip. Every Chinese company can make that for 5$. You pay software.
Is it worth the money? It cost's 3 times as much as COD will. Is the code more complicated then COD? I don't think so. Why other company's don't sell their HT product but make it free you ask? Because they have some dignity and are not trying to sell you bottled air.

What?
NP is a company, you now; employees with salaries all kind of different costs - while FT is just a bunch of geeks who program for free in their spare time. You can't compare that.

With that attitude you better grow your own vegetables, otherwise you would help somebody make a profit.

[Stipe]

If an apple would cost 15$ i would plant my own tree. I hope you understand. If you think it's worth it, good for you. I hope you have fun. But don't accuse me of being a bad person if i'm not willing to pay that much.