Friday 2011-02-04 Dev. update and Discussion

[DC338]

Originally Posted by Hoverbug

I can give you one from personal experience. I was in a Lake Amphibian (a very noisy plane) with some excellent David Clarks (headsets) on and we had an F-18 on a low-level training route cross in front of us at the same altitude at a distance of half a mile. I heard him at the same time I saw him and it was loud. That said, that's the only time in 4,000 hours of flying that I heard something outside the airplane while airborne, but then I never made any gun runs on Heinkels and passing within fifty feet of them.

So yes, it's possible to hear things outside a plane in flight - but only really loud things.

The only reason I say this is a guy from work flies Spitfires for the temora museum (http://www.aviationmuseum.com.au/aircraft/) and he says flying in formation with another spit or Mustang and he definitely can't hear them. I would be interested to listen to Oleg's P-39 recording though. Guns firing would be audible but pretty quite I would assume given the difference in sound.

I just hate conducting a perfect bounce and when coming up from behind and below to have the guy suddenly break. The only explanation is they heard me coming.

[ChrisDNT]

Just my experience : I've flown once in a P3 very near to a DC-3, never heard anything.
I've also flown sometimes in jet fighters in formation with other jet fighters, never heard anything outside.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by DC338

I just hate conducting a perfect bounce and when coming up from behind and below to have the guy suddenly break. The only explanation is they heard me coming.

It's well known bug in IL2 - you have to use the crappiest sound settings available to exploit it.
Cool choice btw, shitty SFX vs spider sense.

Or - maybe he's an experienced pilot, spotted you and intentionally let you come closer. Breaks work much better if you surprise the aggressor.

I would far rather see a beautifully rendered, sharp and antialiased plane at 500m and to make a positive ID when it counts.

Amen.

[DC338]

All I want is for that bug to be fixed.

I've do not doubt that you would hear something when shooting though, feel would be more apparent (I agree that some sound is needed to give the same sense as feel isn't available unless FFB.) I'm sure you could hear or feel a hit (I've shot steel plates with a rifle) so that I have no problem with that.

[BigC208]

@DC338. It's not a bug. It's something Oleg put in the game based on his research. I agree it can be anoying but everyone has it so it's still a level playing field. It would be nice if he could have that effect when a plane get's within 50 yards. That gives the stalker enough time to seal the deal.

I once got bounced by my boss from 45 degrees above and behind, flying a Pilatus p-3 right as I turned baseleg. I was flying a Cessna 310 light twin. I only heard him as he passed by at about 50 yards. Never saw or heard him coming. He had the sense of humor to tell me to better check for traffic in the pattern!

[Insuber]

I've started to report all the posts here with flames, insults or OT. If you like to quarrel please do it in private, not in a public thread meant to be INFORMATIVE and RELEVANT.

Thank you.
6S.Insuber

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Insuber

I've started to report all the posts here with flames, insults or OT. If you like to quarrel please do it in private, not in a public thread meant to be INFORMATIVE and RELEVANT.

Thank you.
6S.Insuber

and i am reporting the meaningless reporter who wastes everybody's time reporting

my somewhat verbose response was entirely on topic, and informative i might point out and directly relates to one of the discussions that is threaded throughout this 70 page thread (3 or 4 posters independently raised concerns about visibility problems in il2)

many of those genuine and well known concerns were then met by the uninformed self gratifying banter from swiss who tried to minimize and dismiss the problem without even understanding it or having something meaningful to say, which in the end started to prevent further normal discussion on the topic.

the major gaps in his knowledge have been addressed by my last posts, and these didnt contain any excessively rude language. the fact he is now pretending to be a sensitive soul and turns out to have a glass jaw is rather funny, given his aggressive and persistently hostile attitude to many other genuine posters here over many months (not alluding to myself here).

So is it all true what woman say, size does matter?

[swiss]

Originally Posted by zapatista

nonsense

Zappa my friend!

I just changed my mind about he ignore list - putting you there is just childish.

I realized I could ignore you just like this.
Maybe you haven't noticed, it was not about the understanding of the issues you brought up - I just think are not of the slightest importance. Just some hairsplitting.
But then again, that's just me.

I'll also try not to keep myself out of your nitpicking threads.

You enjoy yourself, cheers.