4.101 RC - List of fixes

[PE_Tihi]

Originally Posted by ImpalerNL

Since you havent have flown a real spitfire, talking about its FM stability is the last thing you should do. If you feel that the current spitfire is as unstable as a leaf, i strongly suggest you practice more. If you fly a 4.10 spitfire and compare it with the FM stability of a p40,p51,p39 etc., there is nothing to complain about. Flying any aircraft on the edge requires skill, and the spitfire isnt an exception.

I would be repeating myself if I answer- please see my other posts here.

If you cant find any difference in the stability between the planes you mention and the new Spit, than you probably haven't been flying here long enough.

[ImpalerNL]

Originally Posted by PE_Tihi

I would be repeating myself if I answer- please see my other posts here.

If you cant find any difference in the stability between the planes you mention and the new Spit, than you probably haven't been flying here long enough.

Because i dont fly enough i cant notice difference between aircraft?
Ive been flying il2 for 5 years. The spitfire already outclimbs and outturns the LW fighters, but you dont agree with a bit more lively FM?

[Hawker17]

I agree with PE_Tihi, the Spit has become a very nervous instable platform, in constant need of elevator trim.

In no way realistic. It was generally only needed to trim elevator during cruise.

I'm sure this will be solved in future. The Sputterfire will be a Spitfire again.

[PE_Tihi]

Originally Posted by ImpalerNL

Because i dont fly enough i cant notice difference between aircraft?
Ive been flying il2 for 5 years. The spitfire already outclimbs and outturns the LW fighters, but you dont agree with a bit more lively FM?

Well obviously you haven't flown it enough. Try flying some years more, maybe you ll notice it then.

Spit always outturned the LW fighters. Outclimbing LW? Stay away from 25Lbs Servers like I do.

Lively FM? Joker, arent you?

[JtD]

Fly 400 km/h IAS at 1000m alt. Trim the aircraft for level flight. Shortly apply rudder for 15° of slip and release. Try with a Spitfire of your choice, a Fw 190, an F6F and a P-51.

How often does each plane go back and forth before it stops oscillating?
How large is the first amplitude to the other side for each plane?
How much time is needed for each plane to settle back to a steady condition?

Do that and you'll see that the Spitfire is just as stable as other planes, it simply has more effective controls. It is possible to compensate for that with a proper joystick set-up or simply by being less ham-fisted.

[PE_Tihi]

Originally Posted by JtD

Fly 400 km/h IAS at 1000m alt. Trim the aircraft for level flight. Shortly apply rudder for 15° of slip and release. Try with a Spitfire of your choice, a Fw 190, an F6F and a P-51.

How often does each plane go back and forth before it stops oscillating?
How large is the first amplitude to the other side for each plane?
How much time is needed for each plane to settle back to a steady condition?

Do that and you'll see that the Spitfire is just as stable as other planes, it simply has more effective controls. It is possible to compensate for that with a proper joystick set-up or simply by being less ham-fisted.

You been testing the thing a bit wrongly, my dear. Wouldn't you expect the damping to be stronger and work faster at high speeds, hmm? So why did you test at 400 km/h, ehh?

Point the planes nose vertically upwards, and wait till the speed drops to about 100 kmh, then and kick the rudder to help the nose start falling down. Then tell me later will it fall. Let the plane climb further (you ll have no other choice, anyway) to zero speed. Then later, if you still feel like it, tell me how did your hammerhead look like? Now try the same with any other plane, or the 409 spit, for a comparison.

Call me ham-fisted, huh? A good pal of mine, called ham, could hit at 700 m almost at will and any deflection His flying was not worse. Well, it is from him that I learned most, so i may even be a bit ham-fisted, too, but I think you wouldnt find it that agreeable, flying for my opponents