If UBI's DRM scheme is unacceptable...

[yellonet]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

When you buy retailed software you are not buying the software its self, just the right to use it.

The company would be mad to actually sell you their software they have spent years and hundreds of thousands/millions on for peanuts

You only own the right to use it under their terms and conditions.

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I think most people are aware of this. And it's just those "terms" that we're talking about.

Basically if you want to play the game you are forced to install other software that you have no control over at all and that can do pretty much anything in your system without you knowing.
Is it so difficult to understand that some people doesn't like that and just wants to buy a clean game?

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by yellonet

No I didn't miss that, but you may have missed the meaning of my answer.


That's hardly the same thing, DRM isn't something that is a vital part of the product, the product works just fine without it, DRM is just added afterwards in order to control how the product is used. How would you like it if that nVidia card would only would let you run games that had paid off nVidia to be "nVidia certified" for instance?


Again, that's not the same. We're not talking about changing the product and then making a claim against the publisher/seller, it's just about being able to use the product the way you want to without being forced to be online or being forced to install software that you have no control over and that can pretty much do anything in your system without you knowing it.

Nah... I understood your answer

my question which I put to you... you're twisting and detracting away a little there and getting into areas of trading law

how do you define: use it the way you want to?

well, you've only got the thieves/ pirates to thank for that... but, in fairness, I don't agree with being held to a constant online connect to run the sim/ game either (as I've said before), which is different to an online activation yada, yada.

[yellonet]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

Nah... I understood your answer

my question which I put to you... you're twisting and detracting away a little there and getting into areas of trading law

how do you define: use it the way you want to?

I want to use a game by just installing it and then playing it, no strings attached, I just want the game, nothing else, I do not want to be constantly online, I don't want any root kits and other malware installed.
I mean, games are just becoming more and more restricted, and some users are just cheering it on, I don't get that.

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

well, you've only got the thieves/ pirates to thank for that... but, in fairness, I don't agree with being held to a constant online connect to run the sim/ game either (as I've said before), which is different to an online activation yada, yada.

Blaming the pirates is just buying into the rhetoric of the market, oh yeah... there's pirates, so now all non-pirates have to be punished?
That's just the same that goes on in the world, politicians use the terrorist-excuse to dismantle our civil liberties and bit by bit introduce the police state, "it's for your protection...".

[nearmiss]

Blaming the pirates is just buying into the rhetoric of the market, oh yeah... there's pirates, so now all non-pirates have to be punished?

I don't think I'm punished buying software. I have a clear conscience and feel good about my purchase --- even if I'm just getting a lifetime loan of it.

I appreciate people like Oleg, who give it their best. I want to support that kind of effort, also if I had my choice... I'd prefer to buy it with download so more of the money would go to Oleg.

[KG26_Alpha]

That's the point you are not buying the software, just the right to use it.

And I give up lol.

[SlipBall]

The game must be protected at all cost

[addman]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

I don't think I'm punished buying software. I have a clear conscience and feel good about my purchase --- even if I'm just getting a lifetime loan of it.

I appreciate people like Oleg, who give it their best. I want to support that kind of effort, also if I had my choice... I'd prefer to buy it with download so more of the money would go to Oleg.

This kinda how I feel also.

[GerritJ9]

Is it 100% certain UBI will be the publisher in the Rest of the World? If so, I won't be buying it. And Oleg can thank UBI for their BoontyBox fiasco with 4.05m (I haven't forgiven UBI for that one) and their treatment of the buyers of SH5 for that.
Instead, I'll wait until I go to Kiev again and buy the Ukrainian version.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by yellonet

I want to use a game by just installing it and then playing it, no strings attached, I just want the game, nothing else, I do not want to be constantly online, I don't want any root kits and other malware installed.

I think we're in agreement there basically but what would be the problem, from your point of view, with online activation and online de activation (in case of system upgrade), as well an authentication check for access to a multiplayer server and an authentication check for game/ sim patch/ upgrade?

Originally Posted by yellonet

Blaming the pirates is just buying into the rhetoric of the market, oh yeah... there's pirates, so now all non-pirates have to be punished?

leaving the politics aside... its the small % which bugger things up for every body else - fact - everything from public telephones to dodging objects being thrown from overhead foot bridges, to even the louts at the local on a Saturday night.