Ethics of pilots fighting for the sides in WWII

[Theshark888]

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

I don't agree with Shark and Splitter, but don't confuse them with the whole of the USA.

Hey man we are the USA You have to realize that most of us stand up for our country as much as you do yours.

I am in a forum about a WW2 game that I am really looking forward to. Threads will start about ethics in WW2 that eventually get into helicopters killing civi's or illegal wars and torture and I'm just floored.

Every conversation with a European nowadays leads to the war in Afghanistan and I just do not understand it. If I was in a forum about current events, great , let's mix it up. I just don't get the obsession with bad-mouthing/making fun of the USA Isn't there enough going on across the pond to talk about

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Theshark888

Every conversation with a European nowadays leads to the war in Afghanistan and I just do not understand it.

You do realize you'll never win this war? Just look at the topography and the surrounding countries.
It's impossible.
So, unless you "clean" the whole region with gamma rays, this war is just a waste of lives and money.

[Splitter]

Originally Posted by swiss

You do realize you'll never win this war? Just look at the topography and the surrounding countries.
It's impossible.
So, unless you "clean" the whole region with gamma rays, this war is just a waste of lives and money.

Assuming it is so....what is your answer to the problems?

Splitter

[EnsignRo]

We as a species are hopeless...we will never get along...there will never be peace...and as usual we will destroy everything we touch...


Humans are the worst thing that ever happend to this beautiful planet.

[Dietger]

Misconception

Is what you read into a sentence, not meant or writen.
So, some here read things into texts and postings.
I understand, some ppl feel threatened or confused - you hear/understand what you want to. Not, what actually is written.
It may help to stop watching TV and start thinking for yourself ....
(no offense)

As for my question: "What would I've done on their part?" its really not a complicated thing. You dont have to swagger about the topic, just to be (silently) honest to yourself. So, since you then!, know where you stand, you may judge others, measured on what they've done or dont. It also is helpfull, to look at todays pressing matters and our relation and responsibility in this regard. Mostlikely, our forbears thought and felt the same!

Triggaaar, your questions about my intentions are already answered in my previous postings. I think I made myself very clear.

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@swiss (or anyone interested)



<Or, maybe wee should discuss the term "free".>

swiss, yes!
What is freedom for you? And how you think, you keep it?

I for my part believe, the matter is closely related to concepts like: peace , responsibility , honesty


S!

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by Theshark888

You have to realize that most of us stand up for our country as much as you do yours.

Actually, I don't stand up for my country as much as you, because I know my country does things it shouldn't. If someone say on a forum that my country shouldn't have gone to war in Iraq the second time, I'll agree with them - the people here didn't want us to go to war, it was done for political reasons (like backing up our allies, not that you appreciate it). Although I'll probably also point out that those countries against going to war, like France and Russia, had motives as equally out of place as ours (oil).

I am in a forum about a WW2 game that I am really looking forward to. Threads will start about ethics in WW2 that eventually get into helicopters killing civi's or illegal wars and torture and I'm just floored.

Don't be. Think of how many non war forum arguements that get out of hand and eventually end with someone being accused of being Hitler. Think how annoying that must be for the Germans and Austrians - but how often do they jump in and complain? If someone brings up the USA and it's not relevant, either ignore it or just say it's irrelevant. I certainly didn't bring it up, I responded to posts from you and Splitter, because you brought the Europeans up, chucking us all into one basket as if we don't see the US as allies. I appreciate that you get frustrated with the criticism the US gets, but as I've told you before, you have to rise above it. Just disagree, but don't become as bad as them by slagging off a whole continent. And also do appreciate that some criticism may be deserved, we don't have to defend everything our countries do.

Originally Posted by EnsignRo

Humans are the worst thing that ever happend to this beautiful planet.

You do realise that no matter what we humans do, this planet will be fine. There are cataclismic events every few million years, ice ages every few thousand. Species were going extinct long before we got here, and it's not like the other species on this planet are more caring than us, or able to live in harmony - they all kill each other too.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Splitter

Assuming it is so....what is your answer to the problems?

Splitter

Maybe we should discuss the problem before we try to find a solution.

-Israel is a problem, as this conflict fuels the fundamentalist recruiting efforts.
Finding a solution here is easy, however you can't be sure the results are the ones we hope for.

-The spread of Islam is another problem.
The solution here is even easier, it could mean we give up some fundamental freedom of the western society.
> close the gate for those F***s
> zero tolerance must be counteracted with zero tolerance - i.e. instead of giving them all the times, maybe we should try it the other way around; taking some of their freedoms. [this is what we try in Switzerland]

Back to Afghanistan, even if this country was taliban free, the surrounding countries all full of them.
You want to fight the remaining countries, one by one? Enjoy.

We should rather find a way take them their reason to exist.


BTW: Dietger: I am not going to discuss it, I already wrote there is only a personal definition of freedom, not a universal one.

Originally Posted by EnsignRo

We as a species are hopeless...we will never get along...there will never be peace...and as usual we will destroy everything we touch...
Humans are the worst thing that ever happend to this beautiful planet.

Don't worry about the planet, this piece of rock will be here for eternity, with or without us.

I also think war is a vital part of our evolution, so I don't share this peace, unity, "it's small, small world dadadidada" attitude.