Friday 2010-12-10 Dev. video update and Discussion

[BadAim]

Originally Posted by Flanker35M

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Thank you for the update Nice to see things shaping up. In that DB605 video you can see the root of the flame has reddish/yellow but the tip of it is blueish. Could the British and German difference be that Brits and other allies had carburettors and Germans had direct fuel injection in their DB/Jumo/BMW engines. The mixture in a fuel injected engine, like DB-series, is better than in a carburettor engine and high pressure spray of fuel gives more even fill of the cylinder at the right time compared to the suction in a carburettor system.

Also many nightfighter books I have read state blueish flames on British bombers. And there was a talk witha guy who tuned/maintained DB engines and he said the engine tunes were done in a dark room to see the exhaust flame color to adjust the injection etc. correctly.

Ok, have a good weekend all!

Don't forget that in the Daimler video, (as far as it seems to me) they were starting the engine for the first time, so they went straight into a "break in run" at a much higher than Idle RPM. (it's been a long time since I've built an engine, but I think I'd typically "run in" a chevy big block at about 2000 RPM for about 15 minutes) That kind of RPM will of course produce a hotter flame than a typical start to idle of an already broken in engine. This will also (as Oleg pointed out ) explain the difference between the flame seen at start up and in flight.

[BadAim]

Big LOLs. Oleg sure has his work cut out for him. I'd not be surprised if this thread doesn't cure him from appeals to us for help!

[JAMF]

Mr. Maddox, a quick question on last weeks update; Was the map in the FMB a temporary version, or does the SoW map have structures from after the war? (Like the Basin de L'Atlantique at Gravelines, WSW of Dunkerque?)

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by JAMF

Mr. Maddox, a quick question on last weeks update; Was the map in the FMB a temporary version, or does the SoW map have structures from after the war? (Like the Basin de L'Atlantique at Gravelines, WSW of Dunkerque?)

Final size. No changes. We can't satisfy everything. There are limits in size by memory, limits of other type, etc. We was need to cut by this way. Originally plannen way more greater. But there is a great contradicitons between what to put in terms of detailization and what would be the size due to this detalization. Again it is impossible to make everything withouit going for compromisses.
In Il-2 in every map we had also compromisses. Repeat: in every, is it crimea or moscow map, etc. And we were need to cut other possible historical action as well due to this fact .

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox

Final size. No changes. We can't satisfy everything. There are limits in size by memory, limits of other type, etc. We was need to cut by this way. Originally plannen way more greater. But there is a great contradicitons between what to put in terms of detailization and what would be the size due to this detalization. Again it is impossible to make everything withouit going for compromisses.
In Il-2 in every map we had also compromisses. Repeat: in every, is it crimea or moscow map, etc. And we were need to cut other possible historical action as well due to this fact .

Oleg,

but if currently cities and towns on the BoB map are moddeled to large (compared to 1940's maps), are we not wasting fpsec on having our pc's draw and display houses/buildings which are not needed ?

see the end of last weeks thread for discussion on this, and historical maps of town sizes posted (in comparison to what was seen on the recent BoB preview maps)

note: this is intended as constructive input, not a "complaint"

[AWL_Spinner]

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox

Final size. No changes. We can't satisfy everything. There are limits in size by memory, limits of other type, etc.

Hi Oleg, JAMF's question was I believe purely relating to geographical features visible on the mini-map that were not in existence in 1940 (or, indeed, until after the war).

In other words: content accuracy, not map size (also regarding the extent of some cities and towns in 1940).

Great video update, thankyou!

Incidentally I'm also in the "blue" flame camp. I acknowledge the aircraft I see at Duxford are using top-quality fuel that may not have been around in 1940, but I do recall pilot accounts in various books I've read describing blue flames from Merlin engines at night.

Cheers!

Spinner

[Richie]

Rich mixes, air to fuel, helps older engines with lubrication also but you'd have to clean out ports and valves more often because of the excess carbon

[Mardescrap]

What I like each time an update is posted is the army of volunteer Art directors and armchair historians/aviators that come in adding their salt to the soup.

This time it's exhaust flame color. Last time it was about map size. I'd be curious to see how many folks asking for changes or complaining ever worked on a game. How many of those folks are ready to upgrade their rigs to get a decent FPS.

Seriously there is a diffrence between asking questions and demanding changes on an unfinished product. It's already good that those little things are in there. It could just be a non lighted reddish texture mapped in the exhaust and have it called an exhaust glow but there are lights actually lighting up the engine cowling and particles, that's good.

Anyway keep up the good work, thanks for the updates, they make my day.

BTW are you alpha or you're beta?

[C_G]

Originally Posted by Mardescrap

What I like each time an update is posted is the army of volunteer Art directors and armchair historians/aviators that come in adding their salt to the soup.

This time it's exhaust flame color. Last time it was about map size. I'd be curious to see how many folks asking for changes or complaining ever worked on a game. How many of those folks are ready to upgrade their rigs to get a decent FPS.

Seriously there is a diffrence between asking questions and demanding changes on an unfinished product. It's already good that those little things are in there. It could just be a non lighted reddish texture mapped in the exhaust and have it called an exhaust glow but there are lights actually lighting up the engine cowling and particles, that's good.

Anyway keep up the good work, thanks for the updates, they make my day.

BTW are you alpha or you're beta?

DUDE, Oleg specifically asked for input on the exhaust flames!

No-one has been whining that they're not good enough. The posts on flame colour have all been constructive and backed-up their opinions with something.

Clearly this is something that Oleg is still tweaking.

He's made it clear that the map SIZE is set and not open to debate, but I don't see anyone whining about that. Some of us would like to know, however, if the map objects are still open to revision. Also not whining just a query.

C_G

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by Mardescrap

What I like each time an update is posted is the army of volunteer Art directors and armchair historians/aviators that come in adding their salt to the soup.

This time it's exhaust flame color. Last time it was about map size. I'd be curious to see how many folks asking for changes or complaining ever worked on a game. How many of those folks are ready to upgrade their rigs to get a decent FPS.

Seriously there is a diffrence between asking questions and demanding changes on an unfinished product.

Hi

Please read Olegs first post in this Friday update.

He's asking for advice from those that have seen these things in real life.


Woops well done C G you beat me to it