Friday 2010-12-03 Dev. update and Discussion

[Foo'bar]

Originally Posted by janpitor

It´s such a shame there will be no Duxford, because that means no Czechoslovak squadrons.
Oleg, will there be an option to pick campaign for squadron that was historically outside of the in-game map?
Or, is there some future plan for map extention to the north?

Thanks

Somewhen Oleg stated that each 10 kilometres extension to the north would mean about 1 year additional development work.

[Wutz]

I hope the bomber fans get a go at various convoys and ships in the English Channel, as up to now not much has been mentioned about ships, except some nice screen shots I believe of a freighter. As the ship attacks where the kick off for the Battle of Britain.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Wutz

I hope the bomber fans get a go at various convoys and ships in the English Channel, as up to now not much has been mentioned about ships, except some nice screen shots I believe of a freighter. As the ship attacks where the kick off for the Battle of Britain.

You need not worry about this, because attacking convoys was a major strategy in the BOB. Be assured this will be very well addressed.

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by Foo'bar

Somewhen Oleg stated that each 10 kilometres extension to the north would mean about 1 year additional development work.

8-! ... One year of one person, ore one year of the full team? It's maybe also a function of the allocated resources. I cannot imagine however that you need that much, when all the landscape objects are done. But maybe I'm wrong.

[zodiac]

Originally Posted by Foo'bar

Somewhen Oleg stated that each 10 kilometres extension to the north would mean about 1 year additional development work.

I understand that it would cost a lot of work if a city like Paris would appear on the map to (only then it would have to expand to the east). That would have been a lot more work for something that has nothing to do with this battle of Britain simulator.
Like I said in my previous post, the thing that surprises me the most is that there are no airfields on this map where the Italians where based. (Can someone confirm this?) Maybe that is the thing that would cost a lot of extra work and research: building all the Italian equipment.

[nearmiss]

janpitor

Maps and map landscape items

It will be possible to add these items later. Oleg, has mentioned there will be ability for users to build maps.

Also, on large maps Oleg will add landscape items over time...or provide a way through FMB for users to add them.

The limitations of size for the original release maps may never have area enlarged, but if you have the ability to add airbases it should be possible to create an airbase on the map. I know such airbases may not be in exact locations, yet distances we fly aren't really handled as real world anyway.

By that I mean... most users 8X to combat areas after takeoffs, return to base is handled similarly after combat. In other words, for the most part users are never inclinded to spend an hour gettting to combat areas or an additional hour getting to home base.

So... where airbases are actually located on maps is not always that important. Naturally, if would be nice if you could name airbases as you will so they would show up on the maps as what you want to represent them to be. In your case "Duxford".

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Maps and map landscape items

It will be possible to add these items later. Oleg, has mentioned there will be ability for users to build maps.

Also, on large maps Oleg will add landscape items over time...or provide a way through FMB for users to add them.

The limitations of size for the original release maps may never have area enlarged, but if you have the ability to add airbases it should be possible to create an airbase on the map. I know such airbases may not be in exact locations, yet distances we fly aren't really handled as real world anyway.

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I think Oleg said that the user base would only be able to create small maps and that the developers would reserve the large maps for themselves.

So, there really won't be a later solution to the absence of Duxford as far as I can see - even if someone were to make an 'extension' map to the north, there wouldn't be any way to link it to the main map (?)

The real problem here (with the map and the fmb...and soon no doubt a score of other things too) is that as more detail on the real game comes out, people are going to find those perfect, cosy dreams of perfectibility, that thrived in the absence of any real information, starting to look a bit shaky.

The game is going to involve compromises. Better learn to deal with it.

The inability to fly out of Duxford will, it seems, be one of those compromises. But surely the role of the Duxford squadrons can be adequately represented through use of air-starts and delayed arrival times over the main theatre to the south (as actually happened in reality).

p.s. Duxford wouldn't be the first airfield I would have named - wouldn't even make the top 5. Sorry.

[Freycinet]

Duxford definitely wouldn't in the top 5, that's true. It is also true that 12. group mostly arrived late for the action in the BoB. Still, it would have been nice to have their main stations, but it won't happen so no need to cry over spilt milk. We get so much more!

[klem]

Originally Posted by Freycinet

Duxford definitely wouldn't in the top 5, that's true. It is also true that 12. group mostly arrived late for the action in the BoB. Still, it would have been nice to have their main stations, but it won't happen so no need to cry over spilt milk. We get so much more!

I don't think there is a top 5. The Battle ebbed and flowed with first some airfields taking the brunt or plugging the gap and then others. Sometimes all of them. Some of course had higher 'scores' and fame than others. The key sector stations were Hornchurch, Kenley, Biggin Hill, Tangmere, North Weald, Northolt, Debden, Duxford, etc.. PLUS their satellites/subordinates like Manston, West Malling, Hawkinge, West Hampnett. If you say 'Tangmere' you are also saying 'West Hampnett'. I wouldn't be able to split Hornchurch, Kenley, Biggin, Tangmere, Manston, Duxford, Hawkinge and West Malling and I'm not sure about some others but that's 8 anyway that played key roles in the Battle.

[LukeFF]

This observation about the map was made at SimHQ:

I have a bit of a quibble with the inclusion in the SoW map of the Bassin d'Atlantique between Calais and Dunkerque, a feature that was constructed after the war. The whole coastline from Gravelines to Dunkerque was just open beach and dunes in 1940.

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...ml#Post3150692