Could 4.10 Update lock the SFS files again and reunite the online community?

[T}{OR]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

Exactly the same for me.Without mods,I would have given up on il2 long ago.With the mods,its (almost) like a new sim.
The early days of the mods was messy,but now with UP and jsgme its easy.

If you're talking about offline gameplay then yes, by all means. Mods are perfect for offline game. In online game play there is no place for them.

When you look at it, it is sad what mods did to IL2 regarding online play. Those who still play keep to themselves with their own mod packs and to their own squadrons. Times where you could join any server and just pick up a plane and fly are long gone.

[Sven]

Originally Posted by T}{OR

If you're talking about offline gameplay then yes, by all means. Mods are perfect for offline game. In online game play there is no place for them.

When you look at it, it is sad what mods did to IL2 regarding online play. Those who still play keep to themselves with their own mod packs and to their own squadrons. Times where you could join any server and just pick up a plane and fly are long gone.

That is the reason why IL2 is still alive, if it would have remained in original state there wouldnt hardly be anyone online compared to what we now have. I have multiple IL2 installs on my harddrive, including one UP 2.01 another patched 4.09m ( ready for 4.10) and one Il2 where I experiment, I fly the 2.01 99% of the time, simply because it's awesome both online and offline for my campaigns, and 1% in the experimental IL2 one.

Divided community is for the best, it has been so for too long anyways to re-unite somehow.

[T}{OR]

Originally Posted by Sven

That is the reason why IL2 is still alive, if it would have remained in original state there wouldnt hardly be anyone online compared to what we now have. I have multiple IL2 installs on my harddrive, including one UP 2.01 another patched 4.09m ( ready for 4.10) and one Il2 where I experiment, I fly the 2.01 99% of the time, simply because it's awesome both online and offline for my campaigns, and 1% in the experimental IL2 one.

Divided community is for the best, it has been so for too long anyways to re-unite somehow.

I have to disagree, especially with the last part. As you can see we did get 4.09 and 4.10 should come out eventually. Although slow, but updates do exist. We can debate what would have happened if it had happened - the bottom line is: only people who benefited from the 'prolonged' life are people who play offline. For us onliners, the game didn't need no 'prolonging'. We had it fine just the way it was.

Once you taste online teamwork with humans vs. human opponents, not to mention online campaigns - offline gameplay soon becomes ridiculous and not worth mentioning (as far as IL2 goes).

[Sven]

Offline players are the source for new online players, dont forget that, to maintain high level of offline players we need mods ( Apparantly ), I know of many people who enjoyed offline so much thanks to mods that they wanted to go flying online, they joined our group and now fly online campaigns along with us. The pure online flyers are in thin numbers compared to all these groups with different mods ( although the standard seems to be 2.01 )

I have to agree that those like youself Thor benefited from the non split up online community, and would have liked to keep it that way, but that is just not the puplic opinion apparently, that's why we end up here with the divided community, so locking a game up would certainly not be good for the majority of the online players.

Sven

[T}{OR]

Originally Posted by Sven

Offline players are the source for new online players, dont forget that, to maintain high level of offline players we need mods ( Apparantly ), I know of many people who enjoyed offline so much thanks to mods that they wanted to go flying online, they joined our group and now fly online campaigns along with us. The pure online flyers are in thin numbers compared to all these groups with different mods ( although the standard seems to be 2.01 )

I have to agree that those like youself Thor benefited from the non split up online community, and would have liked to keep it that way, but that is just not the puplic opinion apparently, that's why we end up here with the divided community, so locking a game up would certainly not be good for the majority of the online players.

Sven

That is because the majority of people who once played are now just waiting for SoW, playing something else... Playing IL2 with all the latest mods is like having a part time job now.

It has nothing to do with public opinion - if there is no control then there is anarchy. Anarchy might not be the best word to describe it but it comes close. With stock we had a control over what was available to every player out there and thus equal playing field.


I never said that the locking of the game is a good idea. I do agree on the part that offline players feed online player numbers.

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by Sven

Offline players are the source for new online players, dont forget that, to maintain high level of offline players we need mods

I play only offline, and I have not ever used mods. That may be in part because I don't know them, but then again, I don't know because I haven't been interested enough to look for them. I'm currently using the stock 1946 disk install (4.07?), I installed up to 4.08 once, but reinstalled Windows since then and I can't be bothered to install and install and install to get up to the current version.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Igo kyu

I play only offline, and I have not ever used mods. That may be in part because I don't know them, but then again, I don't know because I haven't been interested enough to look for them. I'm currently using the stock 1946 disk install (4.07?), I installed up to 4.08 once, but reinstalled Windows since then and I can't be bothered to install and install and install to get up to the current version.

To get up to the current version you need to install two patches... 408m and 409m. After that I guess if you did want the MOD stuff that'd be countless amounts of installs and tweaking.

In any case bog standard IL-2 1946 comes with so much content. Yes I want more but I'm enjoying what I've got right now. So much potential and 4.10 with all of that new content will be really great to have in a full out release.

[SlipBall]

I think Oleg said it best...these people don't realize what they did to on-line play

and they still don't get it! LOL

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by T}{OR

If you're talking about offline gameplay then yes, by all means. Mods are perfect for offline game. In online game play there is no place for them.

When you look at it, it is sad what mods did to IL2 regarding online play. Those who still play keep to themselves with their own mod packs and to their own squadrons. Times where you could join any server and just pick up a plane and fly are long gone.

These are my feelings on this subject aswell.

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by T}{OR

When you look at it, it is sad what mods did to IL2 regarding online play. Those who still play keep to themselves with their own mod packs and to their own squadrons. Times where you could join any server and just pick up a plane and fly are long gone.

It was predictable and has happened before in other games.

Basically you have the equivalent of trying to run a national football league where everyone can write their own rules, most state competitions have a home town rule set (squad servers) and the best you can get is groups of players agreeing on using the same rules (UP etc) except there are several different groups each with a different rule set.

Problem is whilst some teams still use the old national football rules many teams LIKE their own rules and would refuse to play if a national set of rules was re-introduced. Some players prefer no rules at all and in fact believe what makes a great player is being able to make up your own rules.