Could 4.10 Update lock the SFS files again and reunite the online community?

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by Kwiatek

I haven't flew 4.09 vanilia from about one year. And truly speaking I do not regret it.
Mods gives second life for Il2. Im still playing online and with CRT=2 i know that we play still the same game. There are so many servers and all will find what they like. You dont want mods so play 4.09 servers your chooice. If you like UP so you could play Spits vs 109 Mods or great Battle of Britain server with CRT=2. I dont want to back to stock anymore.

Exactly the same for me.Without mods,I would have given up on il2 long ago.With the mods,its (almost) like a new sim.
The early days of the mods was messy,but now with UP and jsgme its easy.

[JG53Frankyboy]

i didnt use MODs for a very long time, my 99,9% online flying (and i fly only online) is COOP in the VOW. VOW is 4.09 default (unfortutnalty 4.10 wasnt released before the actual run of it ).

VOW is dieing unfortunatly.....for whatever reason (missions are biased, bad planeset, bad missions - the typical online war complain stuff i guess , and sure, the MODs)
and COOP online wars a rare nowadays
so, to fly the dogfightservers (man, i am so fast boored to hell on these.......) most populated in the HL, you are forced to have a MOD.

and its true, nowadays they are easy to use , huge download , but easy to install and use.
but for me personaly they bring nothing realy new. They are just needed to be able to join.
anyway, there are here and will stay . Thats ok.
and the most servers will stay 4.09 till "their" MODs are able to run at 4.10 IMHO !

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by JG53Frankyboy

and the most servers will stay 4.09 till "their" MODs are able to run at 4.10 IMHO !

Unfortunately I agree.Not many servers will run 4.10 until a new UP or HSFX modpack is released.

[KG26_Alpha]

At least dedicated servers will be able to run official MDS v4.10 hopefully pulling in the v4.09m fliers.
Problem is vanilla fliers wont really know what MDS is about, it can be a steep learning curve.

Maps were the only reason I use a non standard version of IL2, as the game was getting boring with limited theatres the maps bought new life to IL2 1946.

[T}{OR]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

Exactly the same for me.Without mods,I would have given up on il2 long ago.With the mods,its (almost) like a new sim.
The early days of the mods was messy,but now with UP and jsgme its easy.

If you're talking about offline gameplay then yes, by all means. Mods are perfect for offline game. In online game play there is no place for them.

When you look at it, it is sad what mods did to IL2 regarding online play. Those who still play keep to themselves with their own mod packs and to their own squadrons. Times where you could join any server and just pick up a plane and fly are long gone.

[Sven]

Originally Posted by T}{OR

If you're talking about offline gameplay then yes, by all means. Mods are perfect for offline game. In online game play there is no place for them.

When you look at it, it is sad what mods did to IL2 regarding online play. Those who still play keep to themselves with their own mod packs and to their own squadrons. Times where you could join any server and just pick up a plane and fly are long gone.

That is the reason why IL2 is still alive, if it would have remained in original state there wouldnt hardly be anyone online compared to what we now have. I have multiple IL2 installs on my harddrive, including one UP 2.01 another patched 4.09m ( ready for 4.10) and one Il2 where I experiment, I fly the 2.01 99% of the time, simply because it's awesome both online and offline for my campaigns, and 1% in the experimental IL2 one.

Divided community is for the best, it has been so for too long anyways to re-unite somehow.

[T}{OR]

Originally Posted by Sven

That is the reason why IL2 is still alive, if it would have remained in original state there wouldnt hardly be anyone online compared to what we now have. I have multiple IL2 installs on my harddrive, including one UP 2.01 another patched 4.09m ( ready for 4.10) and one Il2 where I experiment, I fly the 2.01 99% of the time, simply because it's awesome both online and offline for my campaigns, and 1% in the experimental IL2 one.

Divided community is for the best, it has been so for too long anyways to re-unite somehow.

I have to disagree, especially with the last part. As you can see we did get 4.09 and 4.10 should come out eventually. Although slow, but updates do exist. We can debate what would have happened if it had happened - the bottom line is: only people who benefited from the 'prolonged' life are people who play offline. For us onliners, the game didn't need no 'prolonging'. We had it fine just the way it was.

Once you taste online teamwork with humans vs. human opponents, not to mention online campaigns - offline gameplay soon becomes ridiculous and not worth mentioning (as far as IL2 goes).

[Sven]

Offline players are the source for new online players, dont forget that, to maintain high level of offline players we need mods ( Apparantly ), I know of many people who enjoyed offline so much thanks to mods that they wanted to go flying online, they joined our group and now fly online campaigns along with us. The pure online flyers are in thin numbers compared to all these groups with different mods ( although the standard seems to be 2.01 )

I have to agree that those like youself Thor benefited from the non split up online community, and would have liked to keep it that way, but that is just not the puplic opinion apparently, that's why we end up here with the divided community, so locking a game up would certainly not be good for the majority of the online players.

Sven

[T}{OR]

Originally Posted by Sven

Offline players are the source for new online players, dont forget that, to maintain high level of offline players we need mods ( Apparantly ), I know of many people who enjoyed offline so much thanks to mods that they wanted to go flying online, they joined our group and now fly online campaigns along with us. The pure online flyers are in thin numbers compared to all these groups with different mods ( although the standard seems to be 2.01 )

I have to agree that those like youself Thor benefited from the non split up online community, and would have liked to keep it that way, but that is just not the puplic opinion apparently, that's why we end up here with the divided community, so locking a game up would certainly not be good for the majority of the online players.

Sven

That is because the majority of people who once played are now just waiting for SoW, playing something else... Playing IL2 with all the latest mods is like having a part time job now.

It has nothing to do with public opinion - if there is no control then there is anarchy. Anarchy might not be the best word to describe it but it comes close. With stock we had a control over what was available to every player out there and thus equal playing field.


I never said that the locking of the game is a good idea. I do agree on the part that offline players feed online player numbers.

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by Sven

Offline players are the source for new online players, dont forget that, to maintain high level of offline players we need mods

I play only offline, and I have not ever used mods. That may be in part because I don't know them, but then again, I don't know because I haven't been interested enough to look for them. I'm currently using the stock 1946 disk install (4.07?), I installed up to 4.08 once, but reinstalled Windows since then and I can't be bothered to install and install and install to get up to the current version.