Friday 2010-10-15 Dev. update and Discussion

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by KOM.Nausicaa

Wonderful update Oleg. Especially love the ground textures and the overall colors. The true feel of atmospheric perspective (especially in certain weather conditions) was what hit me immediately when I first started up IL2 back in 2005. It was a true shock after years of CFS3 and FS sims, and a realization how much they had failed in that department. I am confident to find all this again, and even better.

Thanks!
Your words as the ARTman and photographer I accept considerably (hope you understand what I try to say in not native language.... )

But be sure we will have it better

[Qpassa]

the quality of this screenshots, have increased a lot, thanks

[furbs]

Oleg..first thanks for the update...i can see the landscape is getting better week by week, but can i ask about the colour of the fields in this weeks update.


By furbs9999 at 2010-10-15

I live in England and some of the colour of the fields ive never seen before, and the mix of fields next to each other is also something ive never seen, if this is just testing, then thats fine, but to me it doesnt remind me of southen England.


By furbs9999 at 2010-10-15
This is goodwood airfield at 2000ft in july, the landscape looks much darker with dark borders around the fields and much more green than the SOW landscape.
Are the colours of SOW going to finish looking more like this?

Thanks.

[Hatch]

Originally Posted by furbs

Oleg..first thanks for the update...i can see the landscape is getting better week by week, but can i ask about the colour of the fields in this weeks update.


By furbs9999 at 2010-10-15

I live in England and some of the colour of the fields ive never seen before, and the mix of fields next to each other is also something ive never seen, if this is just testing, then thats fine, but to me it doesnt remind me of southen England.


By furbs9999 at 2010-10-15
This is goodwood airfield at 2000ft in july, the landscape looks much darker with dark borders around the fields and much more green than the SOW landscape.
Are the colours of SOW going to finish looking more like this?

Thanks.

Not too sure about the photograph.

On my monitor(admittedly not calibrated for some time) the colours are slightly off.

It's allways a bit difficult to quantify perception, most people don't even know what they're seeing.
But often timesthey do know if something doesn't look right.
Or not if you judge by how awful the colours are on most TV sets LOL

Might be the time of day?

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by furbs

Oleg..first thanks for the update...i can see
I live in England and some of the colour of the fields ive never seen before, and the mix of fields next to each other is also something ive never seen, if this is just testing, then thats fine, but to me it doesnt remind me of southen England.

This is goodwood airfield at 2000ft in july, the landscape looks much darker with dark borders around the fields and much more green than the SOW landscape.
Are the colours of SOW going to finish looking more like this?

Thanks.

Look for the sample bellow. It was done from your sample using professiona photo tool Lightroom 3.2 which I trust very much.

By simple clicking of special White balance tool on the grey surface of this photo where it must be grey by definition of light laws we get more real picture that was when the camera did the shot.
I also can to restore contrast, but already this one action is enough to imagine...

The camera never get the right color. We may get it right only after we already did the shot by using some rules.
In the other hand the human eye never remember the right color...just close approxination... and when again we see the picture of the same place human thinking that it is right colors.... It is a nature of human eye to brain work.
I can't spend the time to teach for the laws in light and its representation from matrix of the modern camera (even professional). I would say only that thing: the shots that are done non in RAW format with using some rules that to restore later the right colors are always wrong. Be sure. JPEG opf cameras can't show right color in complex light conditions that are in the air on altitude comparing to the thing for which they are designed... (also even there are not right)

And answering your question I already told above - not final.

However looking for my sample how it was really (close to that sample) you should think about.... or take some tiome to search for the white balace and color/colorcontrast distortions in digital cameras (or film - some other sort but also with great distortions)

Only these developers that don't know these laws make the "right colors" of the world in their products ... Hope you understand what I said.

[Hatch]

Will we be able to adjust colour & whitebalance to adjust it our own particular distorted view of the world?

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by Hatch

Will we be able to adjust colour & whitebalance to adjust it our own particular distorted view of the world?

There is the tool inside to adjust a lot of things in lighting and colors. The question is will be or not it fully accesible for end user. We will decide it after we will get all things in release of master.
On some of the early shots with the sky you may find the menu of this tool.

[Hatch]

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox

There is the tool inside to adjust a lot of things in lighting and colors. The question is will be or not it fully accesible for end user. We will decide it after we will get all things in release of master.
On some of the early shots with the sky you may find the menu of this tool.

Ok thanks for answering.


Maybe a few presets like Real, Kodachrome or B&W

[=69.GIAP=TOOZ]

Perhaps this has been asked and answered before, but I was curious about the overall plan for the whole SOW series.

First release is Battle of Britain, mid-late 1940. What comes next? Perhaps the Mediterranean/N. Africa? Late 1940-mid/late 1941 with the release perhaps centred around Malta? Then maybe late 1941-mid 1942 centred on perhaps the desert campaign? Etc, etc.

Basically, is it the idea to release "Campaign Packs" or whatever you want to call them, with maps and aircraft, etc, directly related to those campaigns, or perhaps the releases will based on a timeline, with a 1941 expansion, 1942 expansion, etc?

And how far apart would these releases perhaps be? A year, two years?

I'm not looking for exact answers, I'm just curious what has been envisaged for the overall strategy of game expansion particularly when you consider the possibility of 3rd party contributions. Perhaps it would help to focus the efforts of those particular individuals who are capable and want to get their contributions included in the game on working on relevant projects that will help "complete" a given campaign set, or whatever. This would be better than what happened in the past where people would create models of random aircraft that they thought were cool rather than look at the overall game and figure out what was perhaps needed.

Of course, the fact that there are people who are willing to devote time and energy to these projects is a great thing, and certainly most people would want to create their dream fighter plane, or their favourite oddity, or whatever, but a little co-ordination in the future would be nice!

[furbs]

Thanks very much for the reply Oleg, i know the SOW screens are WIP and will be tuned until release, thats why im not too worried

Im just also thinking about the colours i see each day and when im out mountain biking through the countryside of southen England, to me it is much more green with dark colours.

Ive just never seen that mix of so many light and pastel colours of fields next to each other, the fields i see each day blend into each other more.

Anyway thanks again for the reply and looking forward very much to be flying over my home town.