IL-2 Joystick curve

[Aviar]

Originally Posted by swiss

How can the joystick settings affect the turn radius?

Change all of your in-game Pitch settings (located on the Hardware/Input screen) to 50 (instead of 100) and then come back here and let us know if your turn radius is affected....

Aviar

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Aviar

Change all of your in-game Pitch settings (located on the Hardware/Input screen) to 50 (instead of 100) and then come back here and let us know if your turn radius is affected....

Aviar

LOL - it was about the "behaves like F16" statement.


80%, btw, does make sense for newbies - helps a lot.

[Blackdog_kt]

Selection of separate control profiles from within IL2 are planned in one of the team daidalos patches, so people will not have trouble switching settings via alt+tab and having their FFB sticks go dead.

Even better, you could have profiles for single and multi engine aircraft if you have dual throttles. For example, in a single engined aircraft you could have one of the levers function as prop pitch, but in a twin you could have both levers functioning as separate throttles with rotaries being used to control prop pitch for each engine.

I'm not 100% sure but i think it's actually going to be in the upcoming 4.10 version.

[ColdfireTrilogy]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Selection of separate control profiles from within IL2 are planned in one of the team daidalos patches, so people will not have trouble switching settings via alt+tab and having their FFB sticks go dead.

Even better, you could have profiles for single and multi engine aircraft if you have dual throttles. For example, in a single engined aircraft you could have one of the levers function as prop pitch, but in a twin you could have both levers functioning as separate throttles with rotaries being used to control prop pitch for each engine.

I'm not 100% sure but i think it's actually going to be in the upcoming 4.10 version.

Well if it is in next patch then we only have between now and forever to wait ... if its in a future patch we may as well expect to be playing the new SoW

[Herra Tohtori]

I am using the standard version of Saitek X-52. The non-pro version does not offer adjustable input curves, and the default curve produced by the joystick is actually non-linear but exponential for pitch and yaw - a design feature that I can not really understand.

I personally would love to fly with fully linear control settings for pitch and yaw - and if I had rudder pedals, that too - on twist handle, linear response for rudder is untenable.

Getting the control response to feel linear (or close to - there's actually a slight logarithmic decrease in my settings toward the middle) requires a bit of trickery, though:

[rts_joystick]
1X=0 133 148 146 144 133 123 115 109 104 100 0
1Y=0 133 148 146 144 133 123 115 109 104 100 0
1Z=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1RX=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1RY=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1U=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1V=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
FF=0

1X is pitch, 1Y is roll and 1RZ is yaw.

As you can see, I manually entered these values into conf.ini, because the in-game interface didn't accept values larger than 100. This setup increases the sensitivity of the stick's by default "limp" center area, bringing it closer to linear response, while keeping the area immediately next to deadzone slightly less sensitive than linear (but more sensitive than the default curve of the stick).

As far as I can tell, the default control curves for pitch and yaw on this stick correspond with these settings used with a linear control curve joystick:

1X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0

If I now want a completely linear output from these inputs, I would want to insert these values in the conf.ini:

1X=0 199 180 163 148 135 124 115 108 103 100 0

in other words

1X=0 (100 + 10^2 - 1) (100 + 9^2 - 1) (100 + 8^2 - 1) ... (100 + 2^2 - 1) (100 + 1^2 - 1)

This will cause the Saitek X52 with it's non-linear control curve to behave as a linear control curve in IL-2.


With my earlier stick, a Saitek Cyborg Evo with linear control curve, I used pretty much the following curves for pitch and yaw:

1X=0 33 66 82 95 97 98 99 100 100 100 0

and the current curve is basically this, but adjusted for the strange actual input curve of the X-52.


I hope someone can find this post useful for setting up their X-52 for IL-2.

[Les]

Originally Posted by Herra Tohtori

...the default curve produced by the joystick is actually non-linear but exponential for pitch and yaw - a design feature that I can not really understand.

I personally would love to fly with fully linear control settings for pitch and yaw - and if I had rudder pedals, that too - on twist handle, linear response for rudder is untenable.

It's probably just me, but do you mean pitch and yaw or pitch and roll?

Originally Posted by Herra Tohtori

...As you can see, I manually entered these values into conf.ini, because the in-game interface didn't accept values larger than 100.

I didn't know that could be done. Are the numbers you put into the conf.ini then seen in-game or do they still peak at 100?

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Herra Tohtori

I am using the standard version of Saitek X-52. The non-pro version does not offer adjustable input curves, and the default curve produced by the joystick is actually non-linear but exponential for pitch and yaw - a design feature that I can not really understand.

Interesting post, since I got the same stick.
Q:
- curves: Well, can't we use the pro software then?
- non linear: How do you know?

[rts_joystick]
1X=0 133 148 146 144 133 123 115 109 104 100 0
1Y=0 133 148 146 144 133 123 115 109 104 100 0
1Z=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1RX=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1RY=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1U=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1V=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
FF=0

will try thx.

As you can see, I manually entered these values into conf.ini, because the in-game interface didn't accept values larger than 100.

It does, you have to check the ">100" box.

[Herra Tohtori]

Originally Posted by swiss

Interesting post, since I got the same stick.
Q:
- curves: Well, can't we use the pro software then?

Can we? I don't know. If you know of a way to do so, please tell!

- non linear: How do you know?

I can see it in the cursor's movement on Game Controllers (from Control Panel). When I move the stick from one side to another slowly at constant rate, the cursor moves first fast toward the centre, then slowly around the centre, then fast to the other side.

[about the in-game input config window not allowing values over hundred]

It does, you have to check the ">100" box.

Where is that box? I've never seen that...

[Tempest123]

Originally Posted by swiss

LOL - it was about the "behaves like F16" statement.


80%, btw, does make sense for newbies - helps a lot.

Yeah, with the default settings you only have to move the stick like 3/4 of an inch and you get a fast aileron roll, in a real warbird of this era you would be moving the stick close to full deflection, same goes for pitch and yaw.

[albx]

Well, after some more testing i was wrong, all 100 is way toooooo sensitive at the center, so modified my curve, and right now i found a good setting like that

1X=0 40 54 63 69 77 82 87 91 96 100 0
1Y=0 40 54 63 69 77 82 87 91 96 100 0

still tuning to find a better response...