Friday 2010-10-01 Dev. update and Discussion

[philip.ed]

That's exactly what I meant! SoW seems so advanced, that it will probably limit how high we can turn the graphics up. My point is, the terrain we've seen looks worse than RoF, so if this is as high as we can turn it up without limiting the amount of planes etc then IMO this will mean that (in the short term) certain aspects of the game may not live up to everyone's expectations.
Of course, this may not be 100% true (as most of the game is still being worked on and will be post-release) so of course the terrain is by no means final. The same goes for the clouds too.

[Azimech]

I won't mind playing with settings at minimal if I can enjoy full functionality, FM and DM. Someday I'll build a new PC.

At worst it will probably look like IL2.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

That's exactly what I meant! SoW seems so advanced, that it will probably limit how high we can turn the graphics up. My point is, the terrain we've seen looks worse than RoF, so if this is as high as we can turn it up without limiting the amount of planes etc then IMO this will mean that (in the short term) certain aspects of the game may not live up to everyone's expectations.
Of course, this may not be 100% true (as most of the game is still being worked on and will be post-release) so of course the terrain is by no means final. The same goes for the clouds too.

Personally I have no doubt that the SOW terrain will be far superior to the ROF and WOP terrain even though SOW is developing a much larger area. Just the fact that SOW terrain will have elevated riverbanks will make a huge difference to the overall look of the terrrain. We haven't seen a few terrain and cloud features because of bugs yet to be ironed out.

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by Sutts

Sorry but I can't see why a simulation needs a feature like this. Flying around like this will just lead to bad habits and folk will never learn to operate with an engine in the way. I think it would be better in Over-G fighters or something like that.

People will be asking to see through clouds and hills next.

Just my opinion of course.

thankfully
with the overlay of instruments it will mean that the one handicap for open pit flyers is removed - the lack of instrumentation.
people play this game for fun, and i would hate to dictate to people that they have to only have my kind of fun.

Originally Posted by Richie

It's funny I've been flying full real for years. When a subject like this comes up I think who will care but Spit VS 109s isn't the only server in Hyperlobby is it.

exactly. there's a lot of open pit players out there. and quite a lot of them have flown those settings for years, because that is what they get fun out of.

Originally Posted by Qpassa

You should always fly with full real, maybe with speed bar but no icons and and always cockpit enabled, no external views

why? if folk want to fly open pit and labels visible for 15km, who are you to say that it's wrong? with externals you can appreciate the models of the planes, the skins of other players the terrain at angles that you would otherwise only see very fleetingly just before you disintegrate...

the snobbishness of closed pit flyers is sometimes breathtaking.

Originally Posted by Baron

On the transparent cockpit issue.

Its not everyones job here to make sure new players play the game the "right" way, it is however Olegs job to make sure as many "newbies" as possible buys SoW and more importantly, sticks with it.

yep.

[Fafnir_6]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

the snobbishness of closed pit flyers is sometimes breathtaking.

+1 I use the "closed 'pit" but I can appreciate the challenges faced by newbies, since I have trained a number of them. I find training works best when you can slowly ramp up the difficulty to full real.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

[robtek]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

thankfully
......the snobbishness of closed pit flyers is sometimes breathtaking.

Well, the ability to fight well in a closed cockpit is hard earned!
One should be able to be proud of a achievement and not get called a snob for that!!!
Everybody has the same problems in a closed pit, really no reason to elevate those who go the easy way!

[Fafnir_6]

Originally Posted by robtek

Well, the ability to fight well in a closed cockpit is hard earned!
One should be able to be proud of a achievement and not get called a snob for that!!!
Everybody has the same problems in a closed pit, really no reason to elevate those who go the easy way!

Pride can easily turn into arrogance. I agree that your pride is justified but please don't put down those who are at an earlier stage of their development as a virtual fighter pilot. This coming from someone who also flies fullreal but wishes to avoid negativity.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Fafnir_6

Pride can easily turn into arrogance. I agree that your pride is justified but please don't put down those who are at an earlier stage of their development as a virtual fighter pilot. This coming from someone who also flies fullreal but wishes to avoid negativity.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

In fact, robtek is right.
Ever noticed the super doooper flyboys who score a shitload of kills on open cockpit/ext.view servers cannot reproduce these numbers on FR servers?

See?

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by robtek

Well, the ability to fight well in a closed cockpit is hard earned!
One should be able to be proud of a achievement and not get called a snob for that!!!
Everybody has the same problems in a closed pit, really no reason to elevate those who go the easy way!

if you feel it is something to be proud of then go for it, no need to trash other people's idea of fun.

however.

i challenge you to go into an open pit server (where everyone also has the same "problems") and do as well as you would in closed pit. there is nothing "easy" about this game, whatever settings you choose, when you are flying against competent opponents.

Originally Posted by Fafnir_6

Pride can easily turn into arrogance. I agree that your pride is justified but please don't put down those who are at an earlier stage of their development as a virtual fighter pilot. This coming from someone who also flies fullreal but wishes to avoid negativity.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

commendable attitude fafnir.

Originally Posted by swiss

In fact, robtek is right.
Ever noticed the super doooper flyboys who score a shitload of kills on open cockpit/ext.view servers cannot reproduce these numbers on FR servers?

See?

well... i get kills on FR (ha! full switch - it's not real) servers as well. not as many, because finding bandits is that much harder, but not a huge amount less. and nor do i die all that much less. the majority of pilots in FS servers don't manoeuvre as hard to evade you as they do in more relaxed settings, so once you've seen them, and as long as you can keep track of them... equally, without the cockpit framing and gunsight my gun accuracy drops like a dewinged 190. can't do the open pit view, even if i'm flying on an open pit server i have cockpit on.

i find it hilarious when people try and claim kudos for playing in a specific way, usually with little appreciation of the different flying styles required to succeed in both schools. really, try flying full switch style in an open pit server, you'll die. and vice versa. neither way is better than the other, but having spent hours acclimatising to full switch settings seems to breed this oft-seen snobbishness. weird.

the transparent instruments will add a level of complexity that i imagine will be enjoyed by a large portion of open pitters. at a wild guess the lack of complex engine management in some open pit servers is mostly down to the lack of instrumentation afforded in that view.

[robtek]

There is definitively no "putting down" the beginners, it is just generally speaking that choosing the easy way is the way to the dark side
If someone really is interested in the simulation part this person should switch to the cockpit view asap.
For fun -> everybody can choose.
my 2 cents
and now: BTT