Daidalos Team's Room -QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS ONLY on IL2 Authorized Addons

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by Fafnir_6

I see no reason why aircraft and gun sounds could not be subject to the same vetting process that is currently in place for aircraft flight models in terms of references.

One plausible problem is copyright. Mod makers could perhaps have ignored this, but anything official can't, which means that sounds taken from a mod would have to be certifiably copyright free before they could be used, and that's probably not possible.

[Fafnir_6]

Originally Posted by Igo kyu

One plausible problem is copyright. Mod makers could perhaps have ignored this, but anything official can't, which means that sounds taken from a mod would have to be certifiably copyright free before they could be used, and that's probably not possible.

Very true. This is why mod makers would need to reveal all their sources prior to their sounds being considered for a future patch. References such as a you tube video or amateur recording should be admissable but any sounds ripped from Jane's, for example, would need to be disqualified.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

[AndyJWest]

Just what proportion of mod 'in cockpit' sounds are based on actual in cockpit recordings? Though stock IL-2 sounds may be lacking authenticity, this doesn't make the mod sounds right. I'd say if new sounds are required, we'd need to start from scratch.

EDIT
YouTube is hardly a source for reliably copyright-free resources. And not exactly high quality either.

[Fafnir_6]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Just what proportion of mod 'in cockpit' sounds are based on actual in cockpit recordings? Though stock IL-2 sounds may be lacking authenticity, this doesn't make the mod sounds right. I'd say if new sounds are required, we'd need to start from scratch.

EDIT
YouTube is hardly a source for reliably copyright-free resources. And not exactly high quality either.

I think the argument here is that sounds, of any sort, of actual wartime aircraft (inside & out) cannot be recreated in most cases. As a result any in-game sounds are just a best-guess. This is certainly true of mods but I think some also forget that this is true for the stock sounds as well. By this reasoning, both sounds sets are of equal (dubious) authenicity. However, one sounds set (the mods) sounds far more accurate as far as external sounds are concerned (this would be the easily recordable airshow sounds poo-pooed by an earlier poster). The modded internal sounds, in most cases, try to take the exterior sound and muffle/distort them as you would expect (guess) them to be in cockpit. The result is a varied and not unbelieveable (while not necessarily authentic) array of interior sounds that can enjoyed by all. The stock sounds, meanwhile, do not maintain particularily good fidelity to easily recordable exterior sounds and the interior sounds are generic and boring between the many different types of aircraft we have in game. I think value would be added by incorporating modded sounds into stck IL-2.

As for Youtube, I agree that copyright is often trampled there as well. But there is a difference between ripping a sound out of another simming product (direct copying) and listening to a Youtube sample (copyrighted or not) and trying to make your own synthesized sound (created in Goldwave or whatever) match what you hear as closely as possible. I would say that the latter would be admissible.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

P.S. Awesome discussion we are having here, thanks to all posters

[Tempest123]

Just off topic a bit but the P-40E and M external models are very badly out of proportion, incorrect tail and nose lengths and wing dihedral. The P-40B and C models (and tomahawks) look wonderful though. Is this because the E and M where done earlier by different modelers?

[Fafnir_6]

Originally Posted by Tempest123

Just off topic a bit but the P-40E and M external models are very badly out of proportion, incorrect tail and nose lengths and wing dihedral. The P-40B and C models (and kittyhawks) look wonderful though. Is this because the E and M where done earlier by different modelers?

My understanding is that the P-40E/M was done by Radek for the original IL-2 "back in the day", prior to the release of Pacific Fighters. The P-40B/C were Pacific Fighters additions, if memory serves. I believe Oleg & co. were aware of the errors in the P-40E/M 3D models but never had the time to fix them due to the development of Pacific Fighters first, and then Storm of War later. Development screens of DT patch 4.10 have shown (Ju88, Bf110G, G.50, etc) that they do these sort of fixes. Hopefully they can find time in their busy schedules to give the P-40E/M (and possibly add the most-produced P-40N while they're at it) some love. May I also add that the landing gear of the P-40s seem a little bit duck toed? I haven't had time to really examine them closely, but they seem to be twisted slightly outwards in the extended position. Perhaps the animation can be tweaked at some point.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

[ElAurens]

I have flown in a real B-25. I know what that sounds like.

It's quite simply the loudest thing I have ever experienced short of a Nitro fuel dragster, or firing an M1 Garand without hearing protection.

Neither the mod B-25 sounds or the stock are anywhere close.

If it were accurately modeled two things would happen.

1. We would all go deaf. (Most survivng B-25 crewmen are).

2. Our speakers would be destroyed in short order.

Warbirds are not quieter inside than a flyby is. They are exponentially louder. Hearing protection is an absolute necessity.

Trust me here, you do not want the sim to have realistic interior sounds. The only way you could even begin to approximate it is to have your system volume cranked to 11 on speakers, and then wear a proper real flight crew headset so you could hear the radio, etc...

[bf-110]

Talking of B-25,it would be nice to fly the earlier B-25 versions,for Pacific,North Africa and European campaigns.

BTW,El Aurens,does it sounds like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEDt3J7E-B0

[Tempest123]

Originally Posted by Fafnir_6

My understanding is that the P-40E/M was done by Radek for the original IL-2 "back in the day", prior to the release of Pacific Fighters. The P-40B/C were Pacific Fighters additions, if memory serves. I believe Oleg & co. were aware of the errors in the P-40E/M 3D models but never had the time to fix them due to the development of Pacific Fighters first, and then Storm of War later. Development screens of DT patch 4.10 have shown (Ju88, Bf110G, G.50, etc) that they do these sort of fixes. Hopefully they can find time in their busy schedules to give the P-40E/M (and possibly add the most-produced P-40N while they're at it) some love. May I also add that the landing gear of the P-40s seem a little bit duck toed? I haven't had time to really examine them closely, but they seem to be twisted slightly outwards in the extended position. Perhaps the animation can be tweaked at some point.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

Ah, K that's right I forgot that the P-40 was one of the original Il2 planes, thanks.

[Fafnir_6]

Originally Posted by Tempest123

Ah, K that's right I forgot that the P-40 was one of the original Il2 planes, thanks.

No worries, man! I believe the P-40E/M may have been part of the Forgotten Battles release around 2003/2004?? Anyway, it could do with a wee facelift. Motion seconded .

Fafnir_6