Kiting on impossible?

[Sanctuary]

Originally Posted by Zechnophobe

There are tricks to it, as have been described. I am surprised you are unable to get to Rusty Anchor Island. there are multiple locations for this to show up.

1) Scarlet Wind, up the path on the left, in the woods on the right side of the path.

2) Bola, Right near to where you spawn when you get here, down the beach from the Barbarian who lost his wife.

3) Bola, right outside the house of the Barbarian wife. This is the only one that doesn't require either advanced kiting or combat to get two.


Both of the first two are pretty small battles though, and you shouldn't have a hard time with them for the most part. The units you describe are about the best you can generally get that early in the game. How much leadership do you have, and how full are your stacks?

I have been able to get to Rusty, that wasn't the problem, I couldn't get to Verona. I had Rusty, Bolo and Scarlet. I was trying to get to Verona and the map (unless it was a duplicate) was near a shrine to the left where the road forks after you go past the first flag/shrine. It also seems like certain cretatures that are the "leader" of the pack kite very differently than others.

My first attempt I had Griffins and they actually moved (still couldn't pull them all the way out though), but the next two games I had a Beholder and then a Berserker, neither of which would move more than almost a few pixels and then simply would sit there in my face. Sometimes they wouldn't even move at all until they were at a range where they could run up and hit me without me being able to move. There's a very similar area in the graveyard with the parrot in it where it's even more narrow and the pack just doesn't move until it would hit you. I started over and yeah, it's entirely luck based. On this playthrough I got an Ogre again from a scroll, was easily able to get the Verona map and now have Demonologists and Royal Griffins with Target. Neither of which were available in my previous games and I also ended up running around collecting enough cash before my very first battle to pick up the ancient amulet that was in the starting castle.

[Razorflame]

it's possible to kite all


some are just harder

u just have to "hug" it
(i tried it on different playthrough and everything was kiteable)

indeed some are very hard
but nonetheless possible
but kiting is weak

only use it as last resort

[Sanctuary]

Originally Posted by Razorflame

it's possible to kite all


some are just harder

u just have to "hug" it
(i tried it on different playthrough and everything was kiteable)

indeed some are very hard
but nonetheless possible
but kiting is weak

only use it as last resort

Yeah well I'm not entirely sure how you're supposed to be able to beat packs that have a lot of Beholders/Archers or a Cyclops or two without having a larger army or enough leadership to be able to pick up the tier 4-5 units when all that's available is a very small pack of Inquisitors. If all I were trying to do was beat the game on impossible I wouldn't kite much at all, but I'm going for no loss and with weak units against some packs on completely open maps it literally seems "impossible" without getting a few levels and flags.

well assuming he kitted as much as possible his army got weaker in the long run

kitting is bad
since u leave yourself weaker

How so? I'm just running around gathering experience and flags before my first fight. What exactly am I missing out on that would leave me weaker when I'm not losing units? I'm not going for record time on my first impossible no loss playthrough, so I can worry about it when I attempt that. I want to actually beat it no loss first.

[N3MES1S]

Originally Posted by Sanctuary

Yeah well I'm not entirely sure how you're supposed to be able to beat packs that have a lot of Beholders/Archers or a Cyclops or two without having a larger army or enough leadership to be able to pick up the tier 4-5 units when all that's available is a very small pack of Inquisitors. If all I were trying to do was beat the game on impossible I wouldn't kite much at all, but I'm going for no loss and with weak units against some packs on completely open maps it literally seems "impossible" without getting a few levels and flags.



How so? I'm just running around gathering experience and flags before my first fight. What exactly am I missing out on that would leave me weaker when I'm not losing units? I'm not going for record time on my first impossible no loss playthrough, so I can worry about it when I attempt that. I want to actually beat it no loss first.

I think Sanctuary didnt mean that. Cuz kitting is Basic on AP for advance on hard and impossible modes. If Sanctuary loses units when kitting, hes doing something wrong. Im tired of play games on impossible difficulty and i always kitie the islands as much as possible. And i never lose any unit.

[Zechnophobe]

Okay, first of all, there are 3 (I think) maps to Verona that you might exist for your (maybe four).

1) Scarlet Wind. Near to where Richard is hanging out.
2) Bola. On the side of the path between the barbarian 'village' and the area with the Wife.
3) Rusty Anchor, in the little mini graveyard
4) ?? I think there is another option in Rusty Anchor on the little sandlot to the left of where you spawn there.


You do NOT need to KITE, necessarily, to beat these forces with no loss, but you may need to use better strategies. Remember that no losses isn't just about having more troops, it's about using troops that don't die.

You have ogres, do you have stoneskin? Could you combine stoneskin, mana spring, and heal to keep them alive (And spam mystic eggs?) This is sometimes an option. Do you have fear to keep bad guys off your ogres for a loong time? Could you phantom paladins for a lot of healing?

Sometimes less is more, don't bring crap units that aren't going to help, and fight a long, but careful, battle. It can work.

[Sanctuary]

Originally Posted by Zechnophobe

Okay, first of all, there are 3 (I think) maps to Verona that you might exist for your (maybe four).

1) Scarlet Wind. Near to where Richard is hanging out.
2) Bola. On the side of the path between the barbarian 'village' and the area with the Wife.
3) Rusty Anchor, in the little mini graveyard
4) ?? I think there is another option in Rusty Anchor on the little sandlot to the left of where you spawn there.


You do NOT need to KITE, necessarily, to beat these forces with no loss, but you may need to use better strategies. Remember that no losses isn't just about having more troops, it's about using troops that don't die.

You have ogres, do you have stoneskin? Could you combine stoneskin, mana spring, and heal to keep them alive (And spam mystic eggs?) This is sometimes an option. Do you have fear to keep bad guys off your ogres for a loong time? Could you phantom paladins for a lot of healing?

Sometimes less is more, don't bring crap units that aren't going to help, and fight a long, but careful, battle. It can work.

I'm not trying to sound argumentative or "know it all", but the concepts you've outlined are extremely basic and of course I know what to use on a "tank". The simple fact is that I can only heal, recast stone skin/mana spring so many turns before mana actually starts becoming an issue and I have to chose between mana spring (which still leads to attrition), stone skin and a heal, none of which really helps when I have almost no mana. I also understand about hiding or storing "crap" units, it's similar to what you can do at the start with the five stack of paladins to breeze your way through it no loss.

I didn't have phantom or target and it *could* have been an issue with how I built my Mage early on, but I'm not sure how much different I could have made it to make a difference. I had rank 1 higher magic and rank 1 transmute.

Regardless, I started over yet again and have all but the last two maps and I was able to kite my way to all of them AND gather around 1850 leadership before my first battle. I'm sure skill is a factor, but luck is as well.

[Zechnophobe]

The only reason I am bringing up the all important fundamentals, is because they served me well enough on all three (one of each class) of my no loss impossible runs. And I never kited a map.

[N3MES1S]

Hmm, are u sure the map to verona is not on Scarlett? cuz i always find it on scarlett.
Sometimes kitting is not possible, u need to fight the troop. If u didnt find the map to Verona on Scarlett, the only place u will find it is on Bolo, and u will need to fight that troop to pick it up.