Rebalancing of tanks needed!

[KnightFandragon]

Originally Posted by Nikitns

1. Record videos with fraps.
2. Maybe you are just a bad shooter? you could be hitting the top part of the T-34's armour, and the T-34 could be in a semi hull down position (increasing its slope drastically). If it was a shot from 60m hitting directly at front, it did not happen.
3. M4A1 has decent side armour. I would expect it to bounce off a few shots from a Panzer 4G at 140m, especially if it hit the upper part of the side-armour. From front: you need 2 hit from 80-90 meters usually. Try to shoot against points where there is minimum amount of slope, and NEVER shoot at the upper part of the armour.

That T34/76 M43 was sitting in the middle of the road on Dunverde near that lake on the side of the map.....I was hitting the right side of its hull where the driver door is and then the center of its side....and side shot got it when I got close enough. The side shot Panzer was sitting on that shore by that lake on Dunverde and T34 was sitting right on the road like 40 or so from me, maybe I can recreate what it looked like in the editor haha. All i know is I wasnt that far away and my penetration was like red and yellow. Also. I was letting the AI do some of the shooting while I DC'd the other Panzer. As for the Sherman its side armor is just as crappy as the Panther....its like 40 something....thats not decent haha. I always go level with my tank so I am getting straight on hits to the tank. However, even w/ all my troubles in this game ive still wasted me many a tank=P I guess itsthe random number generator for penetration kicking my ass. One shot it goes through like a knife through melted butter and other times its 50shots and nothing.....

[Nikitns]

1. Editor has different stats the MP. I told u already.
2. T-34/76 has equal armour on its sides and from the front.
3. If the T-34 was angled against ur panzer this would proove why ur shots didn't do anything.

[Crni vuk]

Originally Posted by Nikitns

2. T-34/76 has equal armour on its sides and from the front.

equal armor on the side like the front? That would be quite bad if I got you right here.

~ though I noticed the T34/85 hull is quite resistant to the Panzer IV H. To resistant as the T34/85 had literaly the same armor values compared to the T34/76. And those could be destroyed by the panzer IV H succesfully on all distances regardless the angle. Sadly in Men of War, I never have reasons to fear the Panzer IV as its gun isnt even close to the pentration it should have.

[KnightFandragon]

Originally Posted by Nikitns

1. Editor has different stats the MP. I told u already.
2. T-34/76 has equal armour on its sides and from the front.
3. If the T-34 was angled against ur panzer this would proove why ur shots didn't do anything.

I know the editor stats are different from MP....Also, if just a mere angle of any kind puts the Panzer IV gun from god to worthless then that just shows the German guns need to be upped more so b/c no Angle on any German tank saves it from anything....ive tried it w/ my Panzer IV and King Tiger, Panther, Tiger.....all the Allieds need is the side to be visible and they can hit it and kill you regardless of angle. Ive done it to Panthers and Panzer IVs, Tigers I just simply hit the front lower bumper and it usually blows up like an Atomic bomb hit it. Also, that T34 wasnt angled hardly at all. I Know it has that 60 degree slope in its armor already and so I try for as stright on shots as I can get. My side shot that killed it was as straight on as you can get, I made sure of it, got nice and close and straight on....pow, dead haha. As for the armor is the armor i see in the .def files that different from MP? I see no where that it has that "from MP" not a mod" line for armor, its there for some guns penetration, fuel load and speed but not for armor. The T34's armor is on the hull "52/47/47/22ish. Turret: 47/47/47 ish, it shouldnt stand to a Panzer IVH and its KWK40 L48 gun at angle.....yet in MOW it does..very well. Only the T34/85's turret should stand even a slim chance of not being killed. The T34/85 in MP is the same hull armor as the T34 but its turret is like 90 on the front...so yeah. as for the Sherman...its armor is shit, it is in fact a worthless tank w/ a high silouhette so it really shouldnt be standing up to 7-8 side shots from the Pzr IV G at any distance. Its armor in game is like Turret: 64/37/37/25 Hull: 76/42/42/25 or something. So yeah, I had like 86 penetration at like the 110m I was against his side armor yet didnt go through. So I guess after all this im not convinced the Allies are balanced and I cant convince you the Germans suck eh? haha