Friday 2010-05-07 Dev. update and Discussion Thread

[Skoshi Tiger]

I feel that we should lay the blame for this argument soley on the mangers, designers and workers of the Bayerische Flugzeugwerke, who obviously can't follow the blueprints when making thier aircraft and felt that they need to play around with the design!

You'ld think that if you were going to change the design of something like a pitot tube (measuring airspeed is a reasonable fundimental aspect of aircaft operation) they would document it?

Of course the alied bombing may not haved helped, but you'ld think they'ld keep copies of important information in a number of places, or maybe they just didn't care? Obviously they did not forsee a time 70 years in the future where their lack of forsight would cause arguments!

cheers!

[Zorin]

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

I feel that we should lay the blame for this argument soley on the mangers, designers and workers of the Bayerische Flugzeugwerke, who obviously can't follow the blueprints when making thier aircraft and felt that they need to play around with the design!

You'ld think that if you were going to change the design of something like a pitot tube (measuring airspeed is a reasonable fundimental aspect of aircaft operation) they would document it?

Of course the alied bombing may not haved helped, but you'ld think they'ld keep copies of important information in a number of places, or maybe they just didn't care? Obviously they did not forsee a time 70 years in the future where their lack of forsight would cause arguments!

cheers!

Well sorry, but no, if every picture and every manual for the period, plus all research material does show the correct pitot tube, antenna positions and trim tabs, there is no reason to blame anyone else but the guy who build the plane model. (And if there is still something not clear, why not ask the community of thousands of people who would help gladly?)

But anyway, it has been pointed out now and that is all I wanted to do. The necessary material can be found in the links I gave in my previous post and the rest is up to Oleg and team.

@Novotny and Foobar: Thanks for backing me up.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Sorry for my attempt at humour, I'm Australian and english is not considered our native language (by the English at least) Mate!

I went to that link and unfortunately am not interested in German aircaft enough to pay 30 euros check out the publications in person.

If you own them I'm sure the copyright laws will allow you to reproduce a small portion of the designs for academic discussion (as we're having here!). You never know, if they contain enough detail they may prompt the design team to purchase the said designs for inclusion into BoB or one of the early patches.

Cheers

and keep up the good fight!

[lbuchele]

Hey, Skoshi Tiger, I´m not english too and I´m curious about the meaning of the word "Skoshi".
Can you translate to me?
Thanks,mate.

[Insuber]

Hi Oleg,

Are the clouds WIP? I notice that they are not enough bright on top, at least on my screen.

Clouds and sky usually occupy a vast portion of the screen , and are are among the most important players in a "photo-realistic" flight simulation.

Cheers,
Insuber

[Zorin]

Made a quick scan from Mr. Vasco's book to prove my point about the position of the ring antenna and aerial.

1. Photograph of a Bf 110 C rear fuselage interior



2. Screenshot with marked new positions

[Flutter]

Long time lurking, first time post.
Nice update Oleg, however, I have trouble with the screenshot of the Tiger-Moth inside the hangar.
The Hangar does not appear to cast a shadow onto the Tiger Moth, and (worse) the Tiger-Moth does not appear to create any shadow on the ground (I would expect a blurry, but darker shadow underneath the Moth. My guess is that the code allows for a maximum shadow strength (all direct light occluded), after which only ambient light lights the object. This works ok. outdoors, but here the result is that the maximum level of darkness inside a building (6 km down a coal mine?) equals the ambient lighting level outside. The whole issue may stem from spending too much time inside hangars though...
Flutter

[Pierre@]

+1, Zorin.
Look also at the "Fliegerdenkmal" pictures on page 138 of John Vasco's book you are mentioning: "Bf 110 C,D and E - An Illustrated Study" published by Classic in 2008 with great profiles by Fernando Estanislau.
They clearly show the D/F loop antenna was positionned between fuselage frames 10 and 11. (By the way, these numbers, 1 to 18, were stencilled only on port side).

[=KAG=Bersrk]

Originally Posted by Zorin

Made a quick scan from Mr. Vasco's book to prove my point about the position of the ring antenna and aerial.

1. Photograph of a Bf 110 C rear fuselage interior



2. Screenshot with marked new positions

@ Zorin and others:

1. Main problem is not in C-7 and stuff... Problem (or not - from different points of veiw) is that C-4 (and C-7. made from C-4) was NOT a main and usual model of Bf110 in Battle of Britain. It was actually a war of C-2 and D-0/3 Most part of C-4 gone for night fighter regiments. Loss lists of ZG2, ZG26 and ZG76 together with losslists of V./LG1 confirm that.

2. About aircraft itself. As far as I know, C-7 was chosen by MG for fill the "Bf110 Jabo" gap with minimal reworks. And, it was done with elements of "early" or "factory built" Bf110C-7's, and with elements (like Pitot tube and enlarged trims) of "late" or "field" Bf110C-7's, wich were actually mainly Bf110C-1/2/4 "in virginity". There are many photos, BoB period, of Bf110C-7 with VERY different upgrades, like armored windglass, armorplate for pilot e.t.c.

3. Yes, making Bf110D-3 for "Jabo role", wich is closer to history, would be great, but it would need to add some Bf110D-7 elements and rework rear fuselage section. If that would be done, it would need a several weeks to do. All we know, that time is very strickt. So...

4. Let we stay away from pitot and trims on Bf110C-7. We should better ask to show it on Bf110C-4 image. THAT would be critical.

5. Ring antenna, really, must be moved back to 1/2 of fuselage section.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by lbuchele

Hey, Skoshi Tiger, I´m not english too and I´m curious about the meaning of the word "Skoshi".
Can you translate to me?
Thanks,mate.

As far as I understand it, it's an American corruption of the Japanese word "Sukoshi" or "Little"

"Skoshi Tiger" was the name for the trials of the F-5A fighter during the Vietnam War. Ever since Janes USNF simulators the planes been a favourite of mine.

Zorin,

You've convinced me. Unfortunately my opinion means Zip. Hopefully the developers will look into possiblity of an update.

Cheers!