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Old 04-02-2010, 06:54 AM
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You gave me all your Hs129 collection long time ago, Luke (dunno if you remember). So that this cockpit could be realized, is also because of your efforts. Good to see you around.
Ah yes, now I remember. It was always that one German plane I wanted to see flyable in the IL-2 series. Glad to see TD doing such a great job with making this plane flyable.

Anyways, I checked my resources. In Denes Bernad's book on the Hs 129 (one of the Military Aircraft in Detail series books) are the only two known pics of an Hs 129 B-3. The aircraft in question (W.Nr. 162052) was abandoned in the area south of Koenigsberg in the winter of 44-45. However, there is no sign that the aircraft was fitted with a telescopic gunsight.

EDIT: I forgot to add that I think there are some references to using the telescopic gunsight in Martin Pegg's book on the Hs 129. I'll look it up and see when I get the chance.

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Old 04-02-2010, 09:35 AM
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So the knwoledge situation about the use of the periscope sight is very unsure (we welcome any further reference, if you have)
The only reference I can find to the use of the telescopic sight is this reference from page 294 in Martin Pegg's book on the Hs 129:

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When the cannon was fired, the muzzle blast and recoil caused a momentary loss of speed in the order of 10kph, but the few Hs 129 B-3s which were used in combat generally created a very favorable impression with the pilots who flew them. However, one criticism made by Franz Oswald, who flew a machine delivered to 13.(Pz)/SG 9, was that the ZFR 3 B telescopic gunsight made target acquisition difficult.
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This have been discussed alot. References show following situation:

Half of the few B-3 version, that saw action (~40 total) were refit B-2's, carrying their old ReVi, for the other half real B-3 there is not one reliable photograph, that shows any periscope sight (ZFR-3A)... in fact we found no photograph of a B-3, just manual drawings.

So the knwoledge situation about the use of the periscope sight is very unsure (we welcome any further reference, if you have) and because we are not able to 100% correctly simulate the look of a zoomed reticle outside the canopy (the pilot probably wasn't able to press his eye on the lense), we decided to skip this for now and stick with the ReVi12C, simulating only converted B-2's.
I was thinking about the tube sights in general. I've always avoided using them because I've felt that it is unrealistic to be able to keep the eye lined up properly while pulling Gs.

Here is a suggestion for TD:
- Why not increase the sensitivity to blacking out for pilots using the telescopic sight? The blackout effect would simulate the eye moving out of alignment (as often happens with binoculars) and would be tied to manoeuvering. If the pilot wanted to pull tight turns they could switch out of gunsight view.

Ideally, there would be some dirt on the lense as well as distortion and vibrations. Unfortunately, there is limited time. However, there should also be at least some limitation on how these sights are used.
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Old 04-01-2010, 11:56 AM
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Great!!!
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Old 04-01-2010, 12:13 PM
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Bravo!!!
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Old 04-01-2010, 12:17 PM
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Wauw!
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Wonderful aircraft!
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Indeed a great improvement over the original model Great work.
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