IL-2:BOP DLC poll

[MorgothNL]

How can you know your customer, before he is a customer
This DLC was already on the disk --> thus was already made before the game was released. Before anyone had the game, to tell them what they wanted in DLC.

Know thy customer? he would have to be psychic in this case

I dont want to bitch at you. But there are too many people bitching at the devs with stuff they 'cant help'.
The 'but still: know thy customer', is as if you are saying they dont know anything about markteting. Maybe they didnt do the best marketing job, and the game is flawed, but you 'know thy customer' make no sense at all in this case.

Its like me now starting a poll 'what would you like to see in the title update'. If then everyone votes for 'a new game mode'.
a new game mode is not going to be in the title update, the update is already 'finished'. When it comes out, I should go: 'we wanted a new game mode, the update was finished and it wasnt in there, but still: know thy customer'.

It is the same.. the DLC was already 'out' when the game was released. No polls or customer feedback could have changed its content.

again, I dont mean to flame, I just think it is not fair towards the devs (who are really listening to our input, and they get 'degraded' with remarks like yours)

EDIT:
And right after the game came out, and we started asking for german cockpits (20% of the poll), the devs said they would add at least the 109's and probably the FW190.
So they do listened to their customer right after the release. Look at the title update, it takes 1.5 month before it is out. A DLC will take longer.

[Widar]

Originally Posted by MorgothNL

How can you know your customer, before he is a customer
This DLC was already on the disk --> thus was already made before the game was released. Before anyone had the game, to tell them what they wanted in DLC.

Know thy customer? he would have to be psychic in this case

No not really. Ever heard of "focus groups". These are specially selected people that represent "the majority of customers". Most game, movies, tv series etc. are constantly shown and presented to these focus group people.

There are certain area's where new products etc. are supplied to the so-called "average joe" in selected municipalities. Read up on it, there is a lot going on there even if you never heard of it.

So if someone missed the boat with a certain DLC, they had either the wrong focus group members OR the forum members on a certain forum do not belong to the focus group for which a game was made.

Snap je?

[DoraNine]

There's only three things I'd like to see -- and I don't see any of them in the poll. They would be:

1. Online Campaign Co-Op

2. Fix the performance and armament discrepancies on the German and
American planes.

3. Straighten out the "joystick" issues. The interface is BAD.

[MorgothNL]

Originally Posted by DoraNine

2. Fix the performance and armament discrepancies on the German and
American planes.

3. Straighten out the "joystick" issues. The interface is BAD.

I agree!
But I hope these wont be part of any DLC, but will just come with a game update. because these are not extras, but more like fixes.

If you have a xbox btw, joystick issues will not be straighted out, it is MS's job

[Widar]

Originally Posted by DoraNine

There's only three things I'd like to see -- and I don't see any of them in the poll. They would be:

1. Online Campaign Co-Op

2. Fix the performance and armament discrepancies on the German and American planes.

3. Straighten out the "joystick" issues. The interface is BAD.

"Fix the performance and armament discrepancies on the German and American planes."

How true. When I made the poll, I did not know this however. Seeing some really weird things happening online regarding the performance of aircraft that I know a little bit about I wanted to know what was going on. After having done an insane amount of testing, as evident in one of my threads, I can say that you are absolutely right about point no. 2.

There really is so much potential in BOP and so much that is good in BOP that it really is a shame to have to conclude this. I believe that the US aircraft performance will be fixed, but I don't believe that anything will be done about the German aircraft, since I have not seen any remark from the developer on this. Really very disappointing, ah well.

Point no. 3 will also be addressed in one way or another, but point no. 1 will have to go to a sequel I think.

[DoraNine]

Don't get me wrong gents -- I'm not biased towards any country's machines, because I have an appreciation and interests for anything that flys and shoots -- but these Russian planes scoot around the skies like TIE Fighters and the Spifires and Hurricanes remind me of X-Wings. It's kind of driving the selection of planes you run up against in to the ground -- which makes the game tedious. Geeh, do I feel like trying to kill other La-5Ns and Hurricane IIs tonight in my Hurricane II -- like I did last night, and the night before that -- or do I watch TV? There's alot of times when I jump into a fight on any of the modes and the list looks like this:

Hurri II
Hurri II
La 5N
Spit IX
109 G6
La 5N
I-153
Spit II

For anyone whose introduction to these aircraft comes through playing this game - like my 12 year old nephew, he believes the Russians and the British were the only people who knew how to build an airplane. Its kind of silly. Hopefully some things like this will be smoothed out in the next version.

As for the DLC -- I guess I'd vote for a German Campaign. What could be more challenging than flying against all the "superior" Russian and British machines

[fuzzychickens]

Originally Posted by DoraNine

Don't get me wrong gents -- I'm not biased towards any country's machines, because I have an appreciation and interests for anything that flys and shoots -- but these Russian planes scoot around the skies like TIE Fighters and the Spifires and Hurricanes remind me of X-Wings. It's kind of driving the selection of planes you run up against in to the ground -- which makes the game tedious. Geeh, do I feel like trying to kill other La-5Ns and Hurricane IIs tonight in my Hurricane II -- like I did last night, and the night before that -- or do I watch TV? There's alot of times when I jump into a fight on any of the modes and the list looks like this:

Hurri II
Hurri II
La 5N
Spit IX
109 G6
La 5N
I-153
Spit II

For anyone whose introduction to these aircraft comes through playing this game - like my 12 year old nephew, he believes the Russians and the British were the only people who knew how to build an airplane. Its kind of silly. Hopefully some things like this will be smoothed out in the next version.

As for the DLC -- I guess I'd vote for a German Campaign. What could be more challenging than flying against all the "superior" Russian and British machines

But one shouldn't expect the american planes to turn like a 109 and esp like a la5/7.

That would not be realistic. For example, the P-51 will not and should not turn like a 109 at low speed simply because the P-51 wing design sacrifices lift for its ability to cut through air (laminar flow) and save fuel. It also weighs more (empty) than the 109 in addition to producing less lift.

Yea, some errors will be corrected I think regarding the weight on these planes and should improve the P51 some and the FW190s too.

Was the P-51 worse than the 109 in reality? Hell no, just in turning circles and climb. It spanks the 109 at high altitude with its speed and has huge range advantage.

What do you think the outcome of BOB would have been if the Germans had P-51s that had the range to escort bombers from France to Britian and back? Things could have turned out different for sure.

Like others have said, in flight sims, no one values their life - so turn fights are the norm. Hence, good turners seem superior in these games.

In reality, turn fights in WWII were not as common as suprise boom-n-zoom tactics centered around situational awareness and maintaining speed. Pilots who avoided furballs tended to live longer.

[MorgothNL]

yes I snap.

the 2 biggest poll choices are 'german cockpits' and 'SP mission editor'.
The devs already said the SP mission editor, is not something they can just add to this game, that is more for a sequel. So that one could not have been a part of DLC.

secondly, the german planes were never going to be playable, it is because of feedback that they made them playable just before the game going gold. So there was no time to make cockpits.

If you say 'it should have been in the game to begin with'. I can totaly agree there. But when you say 'it should have been in this DLC', I say no, it probably couldnt even have been. But most likely some of it will be in 'next DLC'