Friday update and discussions 2011-03-18

[Heliocon]

Originally Posted by recoilfx

We are in the first half of 2011, the game is releasing in 2 weeks, with DX11 market share still <6%. So if Maddox really pushed for DX11, they are sacrificing their time for that 6% instead of the remaining 94%. This is the same exact reason why Crysis 2 got scaled back, they got burned for pushing too hard on the first one. I'd have to disagree with you on Crysis 2 looking worse than the first one, but let's at least agree to disagree on that one.

Also, how will DX11 sky rocket? The rate of change is more or less linear, from 0-5%. If anything, history indicates most changes are linear, not exponential according to the steam graphs.

Sandy Bridge is not DX11, Llano won't be out till end of this year, Ivy bridge next year - all the mainstream DX11 parts will need time for uptake too.

Also, I have not heard of a single game released/being released that's heavily based on DirectCompute. The development started 5 years ago, reality will not have allowed this to happen.

What's important is that the engine is built to be scalable - that's what future proofing is, and if that's the case, I'd agree with Maddox' assessment that this is THE next-gen engine. DirectCompute, tessalation, shaders can be added when the return of investment seems solid.

Having DX11 currently on CloD will not make it better - from the released screenshots and videos, this game suffers from polish and optimization. Having one more item on the list will further deteriorate the quality of this game.

Unfortunately we have to accept the realities of our flight sim niche market. We don't have 300 men team working on a single game. Beggars can't be choosers.

Just for the record here about your post:
1. Your numbers I guess you pulled out of your backside, which makes it super funny when you say dx11<6% because you have absolutely no idea do you? Feb data, highest % share of market graphics card used is ATi Radeon 5770, with a 7.22% market share and a +0.5% share increase from Jan->Feb which meanes this one single card alone is higher then your claim for total dx11 cards. Following is 5850 with 4.48% share and then 460GTX with 4.6% share. So that means those three cards alone make up about 16%-17% of the market share... = FAIL
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/directx/

2. I dont care if you diagree or not, crysis 2 engine is worse than crysis 1 in the majority of areas. It doesnt matter what your opinion is, go youtube the comparisons. You can wish away the fact that they reduced the draw distances, or changed and removed lighting features in the game.

3. I love how oyu bring sandybridge in here, you do realise thats a CPU not a GPU? Really... thats sad, your making yourself look very silly. In fact, dont ever post about computer hardware again for your own sake because not only are you confused about what is and is not related to DX11, but you dont even seem to know what Direct X is...
Also incase you have completely fooled/confused yourself and you are thinking about the onboard gpus for SB cpus, they hold less then a 1% market share and will not gain any share in desktops. No one wants a onboard gpu for gaming, the target market is laptops and low end pcs. But no components are DX11 other then GPUs, so = fail

4. A game being heavily based on directcompute? Really.... after 4 fails without a win do you get to call in a failstrike? o.0
Do you even know what direct compute is? How would you base a game off it? Maybe its because you can base a game on direct compute and that is never what it was designed for?

5. Yes they can be added, I never said they cant. When they are added and integrated and running well then it will be a cutting edge next gen engine. But currently at release it is not, and thats the reality of the situation as you put it.

This forum seems to love cognitive dissonance: This game will have the best graphics ever in pc history, it is pushing the envelope and is SO good no ones computer can max it out!- Stop whinning, there a 20 person dev team, how can you expect them to implement new cutting edge tech and features when they have a shoestring budget???

-Also its rather stupid to just look at the graphs like you did then make silly statements, because if you looked carefully/critically you would of noticed that its on a scale from May 2009 - May 2010 for gpus and 2008-2010 for cpus.
-Also the DX11 features I mentioned make the devs work easier not harder, thats part of the reason dx11 is good.