what Allied aircraft are the best in this game?

[Laurwin]

Howdy virtual fliers out there!

So, I was just thinking about this question for myself yesterday. I decided to try and glean off some insights from the community for this purpose.

As things are in online servers, fw190 is clearly the choice of warbird for axis, unless more advanced design e.g. Ta-152, or the jet fighters are avqilable. Choices for Allied will be tempered by this consideration more often than not.

Allied vs fw190a4
Allied vs fw190 a5
Allied vs fw190 a9

Ive had ok successes with a gaggle of contemporary allied fighters, but i prefer p-47 D, or mustang from allied. Those are my fav warbirds from allied, although id like to get better with tempest also. That tempest is a trim hog though!

Reason being, with p-47 I can outdive focke, I can outperform and bnz the high flying fockes, and I can outrun focke if needed. Granted, the lack of cannons is not nice with american but the important raw performance is there in engine and airframe to be unlshed.

to me, the late war american planes seem like excellent choices. Why feel guilty about flying "a better fighter" for allied, when focke pilots do the same vs outdated spits andrussian fighters. Ok, admittedly sometimes i feel guilty but only a little bit
I dont really sofar fly with a squadron though, so also the higher alt tactic may incease survivability, and you can still defend allied ground troops, or rather give high cover to allied team mates covering allied ground troops. Written with cellphone so forgive me lol

[gaunt1]

For allied, you mean strictly american or british fighters? If not, then try the La-7. It is maybe the best aircraft in the game, no axis aircraft can match its performance, they are not even close. They cant turn, cant climb and cant run. But keep in mind, La-7 has maybe the least realistic FM, so if it is important for you, forget this plane. If you wish, you can actually turn with a Zero in a La-7!

[JtD]

It depends on your style and the environment, really. For instance, I prefer a P-51 over Spitfire, though the damage the 0.50ies deal to the 190 is usually laughable. But then, I like fast hit and run, and the Spitfire can't run at all. Another good aircraft is the Tempest, fast with a powerful armament, but the handling isn't as nice as that of the P-51. Obviously, there are no P-51 and Tempest around to counter the A-4 or A-5, so it's probably best to stick with the Spitfire VIII and IX. Unless you're good with a P-38. Contemporary Soviet planes are totally outclassed, except for maybe the Yak-9u. The rest is just cannon fodder. Can't dive, limited firepower, no high altitude performance.

[Laurwin]

I appreciate your responses guys. I meant all allied, but personally i tend to gravitate more towards western allied.

How does la-5 fn fly against a4 and a5 fockes? More in terms of bnz flight characteristics. Turn fighting just tends to get you killed quite often ( less SA, and fairly low E state)

What about p39 for some russian bnz?

So, p38 should be a close match to contemporary focke when well flown? Its not the most popular allied plane thats for sure, prob takes a good bit of skill to be good at.

For british, tell me aboit best spitfire marks. I thoughtt that spit9 25lbs was the best one.
Are the HF spit9s worth flying against typical focke? What about seafire3, and spit8 also?definitely i must say, i greatly prefer mustangs and tbolts for their high speed performance. With those planes you can use "blue collar battletactics" against fockes.
Simple enough, find them, dive on them, kill them. If they run away, catch them and kill them. Blue collar tactics for sure, none of that fancy spitfire aerobatics lol

p38 might be good also, but dive controllability isnt good ( compressibility)
Fast spitfire marks also cannot sustainably catch focke in a dive, but in a short distance dive fast spitfire could catch focke ( speed still not being too high)?

Good diving characteriatic of mustang came tto my aid a few days ago vs focke. I wasoutdiving the focke badly. He kept going steeper for more speed. He reached the.sealevel and i was still on to him at 1,5km. He pulled up and ripped both of his wings off. He did all the work for me, didnt even have to shoot hehe!

[gaunt1]

Originally Posted by Laurwin

I appreciate your responses guys. I meant all allied, but personally i tend to gravitate more towards western allied.

How does la-5 fn fly against a4 and a5 fockes? More in terms of bnz flight characteristics. Turn fighting just tends to get you killed quite often ( less SA, and fairly low E state)

What about p39 for some russian bnz?

Below 3500m, Fw-190 is no match for a La-5FN. Cant climb, cant turn and cant run, a very easy target. Above 3500m, the Fw begins to get faster than the La-5, but accelerates slowly and its climb performance is also poor, still a very easy prey. Online its different, with good teamwork, it is possible to beat the Lavochkins. But 1 vs 1, Fw-190 is still hopelessly inferior.

P-39 is not that good against the Fw, because its way too slow, maybe except at medium altitudes where the 190 switches supercharger gears. You have to force him to turn fight, but it is only possible against inexperienced opponents. Also, the Cobra is quite vulnerable, catches fire easily, not a good thing if you face the FW's cannons.

[TinyTim]

Yak-9U at low and P-51 at high altitudes.

[pandacat]

Originally Posted by gaunt1

For allied, you mean strictly american or british fighters? If not, then try the La-7. It is maybe the best aircraft in the game, no axis aircraft can match its performance, they are not even close. They cant turn, cant climb and cant run. But keep in mind, La-7 has maybe the least realistic FM, so if it is important for you, forget this plane. If you wish, you can actually turn with a Zero in a La-7!

Remember this is Russian built game. Russian planes were meant to be the stars.

[TinyTim]

Originally Posted by pandacat

Remember this is Russian built game. Russian planes were meant to be the stars.

It's a shame they really aren't. In general they're outclassed by their german counterparts.

Of course they shine (and did so historically) at 1v1 twisting and turning at treetop level, but not much of WW2 aerial combat looked like that.

[Laurwin]

Nice and lively discussion we got here!

Like I said, I had some great flights with spit8 and spit9 against fw190s. Just gotta keep that energy up for various reasons. Primarily attacking with bnz, but it's also possible to execute many manouvers from higher speed than slower speed I feel. It gives you more options, to start from a higher E state, if you become defensive. Spitfire is so versatile aircraft, but bad thing is not so good dive capability. Otherwise it's quite good (later mark spits 8-14). I have a feeling that you might be better at diving, if youre against bf109, but the fw190 straight up outdives spit.

But I had a really great time on Skies of Valor last nite, with F4Fs out of all planes, vs zekes.

We had a pack of wildcats, ca. 8 guys in red TS channel, radio discipline was extremely effective although still relaxed enough. Situational awareness was as good as it gets (admittedly theres outside views and enemy views on that server too though)

First the zekes attack our carriers, we go into these lufbery circles and do our best at low alt turn fighting, we outnumbered them a little bit so we managed.

After that we got to like 3-4k, organized ourselves and started BnZing those zekes. We also drag-and-bagged a good bunch of them. Also a couple successful thach weave kills IIRC. It was so much fun!

P-38, I'd like to learn how to be more effective with it, but it's not that manouverable to be dead-honest. You just get out-rolled so easily, even in L late, and doesn't turn so good either. I wonder if it can even outrun anything the germans have, contemporary 190 and 109.

Trying to put the pipper on barrel-rolling 190, with a p-38, feels like exercise in futility LOL

[MaxGunz]

It's better to not try and follow a target with the pipper. Establish the pattern and aim ahead. When the target is -time- enough away from the aim point that shots will arrive at the same time, let off a burst.

The steadiest aim is when the controls are held still. Notice how changing speed and/or trying to make small adjustments gets nose bob/weave that does not happen when you are flying smooth? I find that it's easier to line up shots when the target is moving relative to my pipper, I pick a spot ahead of the movement and whether my flight is straight or curved my pipper is not wobbling. And that usually gets me deflection hits (when I do hit) which don't have to travel through the length of the target and get stopped by tail wheel, etc, and seat armor to achieve cockpit, engine and wing root hits.

The worst way to attack AI is to try and get co-speed on his six at under 300 meters. By the time you've lined that up it's going or gone evasive. Come in fast from a rear quarter, shoot deflection and you surprise them.

The AI are dummies, especially about off-angles. You can play to their strengths or their weaknesses.