A mod approval thought for 4.09 for the 1C team

x__CRASH__x · #1 03-26-2008, 05:22 PM

I'm not sure if civil mod talk is taboo, but I wanted to air out a thought I had on the subject. I haven't downloaded or used any of the mods. But I don't disagree with them. I do worry about them going out of control and cheating will follow. So I had a thought.

From what I know, there have been some very good gains made with mods. They've put cockpits in some of the AI planes that would be fun to fly. They "corrected" a few things the modders believed to be wrong with the sim. They've upgraded the cockpit graphics of a few airplanes. And they've improved the sounds, from what I am told.

So, since the work is essentially done for these modifications, would it not be pretty easy for the 1C team to review the mods, evaluate their merits, incorporate them into a patch, and lock the game back up so no "nefarious", "questionsable" or downright "cheating" modifications make it into the game?

I essence, modders do the work and submit it to 1C who approves/disapproves it. Incorporates it in a patch, and releases it to the community. The community could even get involved voting on what mods they want included or left out.

What's the downside side? I only see positives. Improvements are made to an already fantastic, long standing game. 1C doesn't have to take much time away from their work on other projects. 1C keeps the IL-2 series locked up and hack free. The community is happy, and has new toys to play with.

Is there a downside?

Chivas · #2 03-26-2008, 05:47 PM

The downside is...it will be a waste of time for IC....No matter how long it takes for them to release SOW. I doubt if they could spare a minute even to look at the issue with the amount of work required to complete their long delayed SOW project. Sure there will be a few players continue to use and mod the IL-2 series, but the majority of players will move on to the far more immersive SOW series.

As far as On-line.....I would say you'd be hard pressed to find a server in hyperlobby with the game settings, theater, and mods that you would prefer to fly after most of the on-line crowd move on to SOW.

I did download the new sounds and liked some aspects, but there were enough bad sounds and bugs that I prefer the original.

Robert · #3 03-26-2008, 05:57 PM

Why should they take ANY time away from current projects? IL2 is about an inch from being abandonwear. It's development life (with the exception of the 4.09 patch) is done. There's no more money to be made from IL2 so anything we get in the form of the 4.09 patch is gravy. Expecting 1C to add in 'illegal' hacks to me is quite insulting.

"Here ya go Oleg. Your game was so bad WE decided to improve it for you. Could you be so kind to include them into 4.09? It won't be to hard to make sure it doesn't affect other portions of the game. It won't take but a few of your guys to impliment it. Don't worry about the lost man hours you'll still have to pay. We're such an appreciative forum and any efforts will still be met with derision and scorn. Thank you very much, buddy. Love you Oleg."

I know you mean well, CRASH but my answer would be a HUGE and emphatic NO to that suggestion.

Furthermore. I'd rather have nothing interfere with the developement of BoB.

Oh wait. Is this one of those add an FW into the BoB questions? You got me.

Feuerfalke · #4 03-26-2008, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert

Why should they take ANY time away from current projects? IL2 is about an inch from being abandonwear. It's development life (with the exception of the 4.09 patch) is done. There's no more money to be made from IL2 so anything we get in the form of the 4.09 patch is gravy. Expecting 1C to add in 'illegal' hacks to me is quite insulting.

"Here ya go Oleg. Your game was so bad WE decided to improve it for you. Could you be so kind to include them into 4.09? It won't be to hard to make sure it doesn't affect other portions of the game. It won't take but a few of your guys to impliment it. Don't worry about the lost man hours you'll still have to pay. We're such an appreciative forum and any efforts will still be met with derision and scorn. Thank you very much, buddy. Love you Oleg."

I know you mean well, CRASH but my answer would be a HUGE and emphatic NO to that suggestion.

Furthermore. I'd rather have nothing interfere with the developement of BoB.

+1

Well said.

ytareh · #5 03-26-2008, 06:52 PM

Well I for one totally agree with the original poster.I love the mods but dont use them online .They greatly enhance the game .In fact I am slightly moving back to offline play as a result.

x__CRASH__x · #6 03-26-2008, 08:08 PM

My worry is this: How long will players be happy going from several hundred flyable aircraft to just a handful? Yes it will be different, and look better, and fly better. But when you go from so much to so little, how long before boredom becomes a factor? Sure, eventually the SOW series will incorporate more aircraft. But after initial release, we get what we get.

I'm predicting that IL-2 won't dry up like some of you are predicting. I think it has the legs to be around a long time. However, what you say about distracting from other projects, with no profit to 1C has merit, and I can see how that will make the idea a deal breaker.

nearmiss · #7 03-26-2008, 09:34 PM

My understanding is...

If mods are in the mods folder the game is same as 4.09bm (if beta installed) and Online play will not be affected by mods.

True or not true?

jermin · #8 03-27-2008, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chivas

The downside is...it will be a waste of time for IC....No matter how long it takes for them to release SOW. I doubt if they could spare a minute even to look at the issue with the amount of work required to complete their long delayed SOW project. Sure there will be a few players continue to use and mod the IL-2 series, but the majority of players will move on to the far more immersive SOW series.

As far as On-line.....I would say you'd be hard pressed to find a server in hyperlobby with the game settings, theater, and mods that you would prefer to fly after most of the on-line crowd move on to SOW.

I did download the new sounds and liked some aspects, but there were enough bad sounds and bugs that I prefer the original.

I don't think most IL2 players will shift to BoB immediately after its release. Most late-war pilots will wait untill their favorite rides such as FW190 and P51 show up in the game. I believe IL2 will exist together with BoB for a very long time. Lets say 3 years. With more than 200 planes to fly, IL2 is more like an air war compared to BoB. As for immersion, IL2 still gets a lot of potentials. IMO Immersion can be achieved in many diffrent ways, not only by enhencing graphics. IL2 supports multiplayer of up to 128 players. Just imagine an air engagement between squads, say 8 vs 8, in an online server, not individuals or pairs. But have we ever seen a single server with 128 players playing in it? Most online missions have olny a limited quantity of ground objects because they eat up fps significantly, which makes the ground surface quite bleak. With graphics cards of 8800 level prevail, these problems will be easilly solved. Nontheless, With all special effects turned on, such as water=4, typecloud=1, effects=2, forests=3, LandGeom=3, high AA AF, Vsync, IL2 still looks quite up-to-date. If Oleg approves and regulates the unofficial mods, I don't even see a reason to go for BoB.

nearmiss · #9 03-27-2008, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jermin

I don't think most IL2 players will shift to BoB immediately after its release. Most late-war pilots will wait untill their favorite rides such as FW190 and P51 show up in the game. I believe IL2 will exist together with BoB for a very long time. Lets say 3 years. With more than 200 planes to fly, IL2 is more like an air war compared to BoB. As for immersion, IL2 still gets a lot of potentials. IMO Immersion can be achieved in many ways, not only by enhencing graphics. IL2 supports multiplayer game of up to 128 players. Just imagine an air fight between squads, say 8 vs 8, in an online server, not individuals or pairs. But have we ever seen a single server with 128 players playing in it? Most online missions have olny a limited quantity of ground objects because they eat up fps significantly, which makes the ground surface quite bleak. With graphics cards of 8800 level prevail, these problems will be easilly solved. Nontheless, With all special effects turned on, such as water=4, typecloud=1, effects=2, forests=3, LandGeom=3, high AA AF, Vsync, IL2 still looks quite up-to-date. If Oleg approves and regulates the unofficial mods, I don't even see a reason to go for BoB.

I do the BOB II WOV now and it's great fun. Trying to shoot down anything with six .303 is... well a lesson in patience and exasperation. I feel sorry for those poor pilots that had to face the German fighters with those 20MM cannons. My gosh, to be so smart the Brits weren't awake when they put so little firepower into their fighters. Spits or Hurricanes, just weren't ready for much. The British pilots were just one heck of a bunch of great men, real heroes in my book.

Those .303 were like peashooters up next to those 20mm cannons.

So, yeah the BOB SOW will not be as much fun as taking a late model spit and flying against just about any kind of enemy online currently.

Chivas · #10 03-27-2008, 04:29 AM

I think the more advanced aircraft model will make the high rate of fire 303's more effective. Although I find the existing hitting power of the Hurricane very effective in IL-2. Sure there will be a few people hang on to IL-2 and I don't blame them as it is a classic, BUT BOB should be far more immersive. The off-line people will be able to stay with IL-2 longer, but the on-liners will probably have to move on just to get the numbers on the server to make for a good experience. By the time some people get bored with BOB the next addition to the series should be on hand.