the P47 "the Unbreakable"no more

[steppie]

the new G loading on aircraft has wreak the P47
you can't dive bomb in the 47 no more with breaking or damaging the aircraft were it will not fly properly.It that bad i can dive bomb in a spit and not break up and try and do the same in a p47 break my wings off. in some of my test did i don't even get blackout before the aircraft is breaking up.
Because the way the G loading is model it hasn't taken in account for aircraft like the P47.

[Sven]

Interesting I thought the "Jug" has a very high dive speed. It also looks like it could withstand enormous G load. I think it has something to do with the bomb load as well Steppie.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by steppie

i don't even get blackout before the aircraft is breaking up.

Welcome to the club.
Same goes for the 190.

[[URU]Amraam]

This video shows the dive restrictions of the P-47, I think it´s a good source to compare.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NWaH...eature=channel

[Tempest123]

I just tested several 500 mph pull outs starting from 3000m after bomb release with full fuel from around 70 to 80 degree dives with no breakup, certainly it stressed the aircraft a few times but this all depends on how hard you pull out (lol), what would you expect from a several ton aircraft. If you pull out of a steep dive with 500 pounds of bombs on each wing bad things are gonna happen, but I didn't notice a problem with no bombs. Still keeps energy very well, and zooms back up like it should. In short I didn't see a problem, it still out dives nearly everything.



What angle and speed are you diving at, with bombs? and how much fuel? and what speed is your pullout?

[IceFire]

Bombs and fuel are now critical factors to what you can do during a dive bombing run. I've run a few dive bombing runs in the FW190, P-47 and Tempest which are all bomb carrying aircraft with historically above average strength airframes. I haven't broken any of them yet...except when I went nuts and I did a hard pull out in which case all of them exceeded the airframe limits as specified in the game and the aircraft broke.

I think this patch has been harder for people who in the past have treated the aircraft as unbreakable and stressed them to the limits at all opportunities. Although I flew like this in the first couple of years of playing the game I later learned that the better way to fly was smoothly and calmly with deliberate and planned out action. The benefit pre-4.10 was a aircraft that flew better and faster. Now those benefits are realized in not breaking the airframe as well.

[Zorin]

Originally Posted by IceFire

Bombs and fuel are now critical factors to what you can do during a dive bombing run. I've run a few dive bombing runs in the FW190, P-47 and Tempest which are all bomb carrying aircraft with historically above average strength airframes. I haven't broken any of them yet...except when I went nuts and I did a hard pull out in which case all of them exceeded the airframe limits as specified in the game and the aircraft broke.

I think this patch has been harder for people who in the past have treated the aircraft as unbreakable and stressed them to the limits at all opportunities. Although I flew like this in the first couple of years of playing the game I later learned that the better way to fly was smoothly and calmly with deliberate and planned out action. The benefit pre-4.10 was a aircraft that flew better and faster. Now those benefits are realized in not breaking the airframe as well.

quoted for truth

[mazex]

When flying IRL manouvre speed (Va) is one of the most important things to know for an aircraft, especially when flying aerobatics which I have done quite a lot. It's nice that we now have it in this game too. I'm pretty sure that the P-47 was famous for high speed dives as it did not get control surface flutter and compression problems, and not due to the fact that you could pull the stick in your belly at near mach speed?

[JtD]

The P-47 suffered quite a bit from compressibility and certainly wasn't pleasant to handle at high speeds. It was famous because it was fast in a dive and because it usually survived the problems so the pilots could tell the tale.

[TinyTim]

Are you sure you are dropping all bombs before pulling up? If you drop only wing bombs, your underbelly bomb will cause problems during pull up.